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On the contrary, the establishment of the EU to mirror the U.S. is a mistake. Instead of seperate countries, they are more like one big country using a common currency. Thus they lost their ability to insolate themselves from economic downturns from their neighboring countries like the old days.

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Hold it there. The Orientals are not interested in ruining the U.S. financially. They are interested to ruining the entire Western Hemisphere financially. That is their pay back for centuries of colonial dominance by the Europeans.

I read it somewhere 65% of U.S. Corporations are either owned by or joined venture with Europeans, i.e. British, Dutch and Germans. Only a small number of companies are actually owned by home grown Americans. Companies such as Microsoft and Walmart. To ruin us will have huge ripple effects to our cousins over the pond and that's is why we are the target. It is much easier to do it here than Europe, because of the homogenous culturism of the Old World vs the open society of the U.S.
They don't want to ruin specific companies, they want to ruin our domestic economy. They hold massive amounts of our debt, and if they start dumping it, we are going down the crapper. Europe will go with us. Even they will be affected, but they might be willing to feel the pain if they think doing so will make us their slaves. Heck, if the Chinese and Saudi quit buying our debt, never mind dumping it, it would be an economic Pearl Harbor. Overnight the US Government will start running shortfalls in its current accounts, unable to pay the war pig machine and the social programs at the same time.



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What nations buy/use
the most consumer goods/resources?

What nations are the biggest exporters?
I don't know what your point is - the point here is that China, Japan and Saudi have it in their power to destroy us economically if they wish, just by playing by the rules. They may be perfectly willing to upset their own apple carts if it means destroying us. They simply have other aims where a decaying America will meet their goals better than having us for a market for their goods. A little history might help. Google "Greater Asia Co-prosperity Sphere".

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I don't know what your point is - the point here is that China, Japan and Saudi have it in their power to destroy us economically if they wish, just by playing by the rules. They may be perfectly willing to upset their own apple carts if it means destroying us. They simply have other aims where a decaying America will meet their goals better than having us for a market for their goods. A little history might help. Google "Greater Asia Co-prosperity Sphere".

The question is, if they can do it, why haven't they done it already? Are they simply waiting for the U.S to grow weaker and weaker from its overseas conflicts? Or are they waiting for the "right moment"?

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I don't know what your point is - the point here is that China, Japan and Saudi have it in their power to destroy us economically if they wish, just by playing by the rules. They may be perfectly willing to upset their own apple carts if it means destroying us. They simply have other aims where a decaying America will meet their goals better than having us for a market for their goods. A little history might help. Google "Greater Asia Co-prosperity Sphere".

The question is, if they can do it, why haven't they done it already? Are they simply waiting for the U.S to grow weaker and weaker from its overseas conflicts? Or are they waiting for the "right moment"?

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Sounds reasonable. I'm sure they'd want to wait until we are on the toilet brink before giving us the nudge....

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I don't know what your point is - the point here is that China, Japan and Saudi have it in their power to destroy us economically if they wish, just by playing by the rules. They may be perfectly willing to upset their own apple carts if it means destroying us. They simply have other aims where a decaying America will meet their goals better than having us for a market for their goods. A little history might help. Google "Greater Asia Co-prosperity Sphere".

The question is, if they can do it, why haven't they done it already? Are they simply waiting for the U.S to grow weaker and weaker from its overseas conflicts? Or are they waiting for the "right moment"?
Good question, but the US can still pull back out off the game and play the protectionist card. If that happens, the US will suffer in the short and medium terms but could prevail and come out swinging in the long term. That's because the US still has control over its resources but that's fading away.
The idea, is to take control away by wedging in more ties that will cripple the big machine in one coup de gras.
The Chinese surely have a plan like this in some pseudo war room playing what if scenarios. The Arabs are too disorganized to come up with any sophisticated plans but they are opportunists and have plenty of $$ to buy and leverage their way wherever they whish.
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That is until their oil reserves run out.

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That is until their oil reserves run out.
Case in point, they know that the party will be short lived if they counted on oil exclusively. That’s why they diversify and expand their reach just like the imperial powers did a little over a century ago.
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expand into what? other then glass manufactureing I don't think that the oil producing countries have too much to offer to the rest of the world even if they diversify (unless they move into technology but I doubt that that will be happening anytime soon)

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