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Rove 101
By Molly Ivins


The pure joy of the whole Karl Rove/Valerie Plame affair is in watching the massive Republican spin-control machine in operation. Here’s Rove, who has famously gone after his political enemies over the years on behalf of any candidate he has ever been hired to represent, now unleashing his entire spin operation, perfected over five years in the White House, on behalf of . . . himself. It’s just so interesting to watch it work.

The entire Republican Party, under Rove’s whip, finds itself shocked (!) that anyone would suggest Karl Rove (!!) might actually go after an opponent’s wife in order to discredit said opponent. Oh, the horror. And Karl has always been such a sweet boy.

Any political reporter who doesn’t recognize the going-after-the-wife gambit as Rove 101 should be hanged for dereliction of duty.

One time Rove was displeased with the work done by a Republican advanceman. Rove’s response was: “We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one else has ever fucked him.� And that was a guy who was on his side.

Next we have that great Rovian tactic, the shotgun of irrelevant charges aimed at everyone else involved except Our Boy.

Joe Wilson, jeez, an Al Gore supporter from the git-go (forget the heroic diplomat so praised by George H. W. Bush).

His wife with her photograph in Vanity Fair is clearly a publicity hound, celebrity wannabe, a babe, and who cares that she put her life on the line for the USA?

Next we have Matt Cooper of Time. Well, surely we can spread the rumor that Cooper sold out Rove when the going got tough, whether Rove told him it was OK or not.

Then there is Judith Miller, who actually went to jail rather than give up her source—even though she never wrote a word about any of this. Before the war, Miller was Ahmad Chalabi’s pipeline to the front page of The New York Times: She was totally wrong about weapons of mass destruction. So, let’s just let the Left trash her because of her earlier reporting. We don’t have to do a thing but spread some personal slime so no one will feel sorry for her.

Look, a reporter comes armed with a notebook and a pencil. We do not carry guns; we do not even carry heavy flashlights. We cannot arrest people. We do not have power of subpoena. We cannot force people to talk by holding them as material witnesses; we cannot break into their homes or read their computers, with or without a quickie court hearing. We are not the law. All we can do is ask people to trust us.

We have no more right to withhold information about a serious crime than does a lawyer, a doctor, a psychiatrist, a counselor. If someone tells us they have done or are about to do a serious crime, we are utterly obliged to report it, even in the thirty-one states where we have limited legal privileges of confidentiality.

The guidelines at the Department of Justice say that journalists, armed with notebook and pencil, should not be asked to give up our sources unless the full majesty and might of the law, with all its powers, cannot solve a crime on its own. I have seen this legal contest many a time, and in more than 90 percent of the cases where reporters are called upon to reveal their sources, all it means is that the prosecutors don’t have the sense God gave a duck. If they did, they’d be able to get the information for themselves.

In all fairness, Patrick Fitzgerald, having been called upon to investigate a possible crime involving the sticky web of Washington leakers and leakees, might well want to kick the ass of the whole sorry bunch.

I have some sympathy for that approach.

But we’re missing something here. Of course, Rove outed Plame; the most important question is why. Why would he go so far out of his way to undermine the report about a claim so weak that no one who saw it took it seriously? Because Joe Wilson stood up in front of God and everybody and said they didn’t just hype the intelligence, they lied. And that was too much for Rove.

Molly Ivins, co-author of “Bushwhacked,� writes in this space every month.


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Hopefully Rove will get what he gave. That would be only too deserving. Those that back him up appear to ignore the fact that this guy played viciously and it is entertaining to see the left finally use similar tactics against him. Classic case study.
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Hoping Rove gets what he gave I am wondering how this story is going. There has been precious little news on the subject in the last few weeks. Seems like Rove may have managed to divert attention long enough to make this one go away.

I question whether it is Rove alone though. Looks to me like a much larger "conspiracy" since there seems to really have been cooperative lying at the highest levels of the Bush administration on many fronts to justify the Iraq invasion. This may be the scab that could let the whole story out. Healing this scab surely would be worth more than just Rove to the Republican Party. Jim
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It sure is reassuring to have confidence that when Rove is eliminated, that all will be truth and sweetness in the land of politics. No democrat, liberal or progressive would ever stoop to such tactics. No "new democrats" either.
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It sure is reassuring to have confidence that when Rove is eliminated, that all will be truth and sweetness in the land of politics. No democrat, liberal or progressive would ever stoop to such tactics. No "new democrats" either.
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And who exactly implied that this is the only fix or problem?
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It sure is reassuring to have confidence that when Rove is eliminated, that all will be truth and sweetness in the land of politics. No democrat, liberal or progressive would ever stoop to such tactics. No "new democrats" either.
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Who cares about any of that? I just want to see guilty people actually go to prison.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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It sure is reassuring to have confidence that when Rove is eliminated, that all will be truth and sweetness in the land of politics. No democrat, liberal or progressive would ever stoop to such tactics. No "new democrats" either.
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I'm sure Jeffrey Dahmer could have used the same defense. "I'm not the only mass murderer around. Why are you picking on me?". Rove is a heaping pile of festering feces, and your defense of him speaks volumes in regard to where morality sits on your list of personal priorities.

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He has now been caught as an outright liar. I always thought "lying to the American people" led to outright dismissal of a public figure. Instead he continues to serve inspite of the fact he first claims he had no knowledge of any of this, and now we find out he was deeply involved. It also shows what a scumbag Bush is, since he allowed a felon to run his presidential campaign. Rove is a stinking gutter rat:

http://www.thinkprogress.org/leak-scandal

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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He has now been caught as an outright liar. I always thought "lying to the American people" led to outright dismissal of a public figure. Instead he continues to serve inspite of the fact he first claims he had no knowledge of any of this, and now we find out he was deeply involved. It also shows what a scumbag Bush is, since he allowed a felon to run his presidential campaign. Rove is a stinking gutter rat:

http://www.thinkprogress.org/leak-scandal
For all the UK's faults, at least we jailed Jeffrey Archer, another of that ilk (conman, gobshite, fascist opportunist). Jail the bastard.
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GermanStar,
Where in the my post do you see ANY defense of Rove? You're thinking with your political mind, again. I said nothing to defend him.
If he is guilty, he should pay the penalty decreed bt the law.
So should every dishonset, lying politician from any party.
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