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So should every dishonset, lying politician from any party.
I agree wholeheartedly, and politicians who initiate rumors about opponents brown babies should simply be removed by any means available from the political process altogether, regardless of any actual illegality.

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So should every dishonset, lying politician from any party.
I agree wholeheartedly, and politicians who initiate rumors about opponents brown babies should simply be removed by any means available from the political process altogether, regardless of any actual illegality.
You really mean that, "by any means available"?

That's a drastic cure looking for a worthy disease.
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So should every dishonset, lying politician from any party.
I agree wholeheartedly, and politicians who initiate rumors about opponents brown babies should simply be removed by any means available from the political process altogether, regardless of any actual illegality.
You really mean that, "by any means available"?

That's a drastic cure looking for a worthy disease.
Rove-itis.

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RE: Rove 101

GermanStar,
I'm glad we agree on that.

However, I think you cross a dangerous line with the " by any means, regardless of illegality."
We are, presumably, a nation of law. What you advocate is lawlessness. Somethings may be obnoxious, but legal. I prefer to let such scoundrals slide by in order to preserve the protection of law for the rest of us.
Whats the difference between your view on Rove, and say, the way Hitler and his pals turned Germany against the Jews?
If you think your morality provides you with some extra-law ability to pronounce judgment, I think you are going down a very slippery slope.
But, back to the topic, If Rove is proved guilty of violation of law, then he merits legal punishment. No more; no less. In fact that was the thrust of the old Mosaic law---We tend to think " an eye for an eye" was very strict. In fact it was to limit the amount of vengence to be taken. In other words, if someone poked out your eye, you were not to kill him for it; you were limited to only polking out his eye.
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I think he (Germanstar) meant that it doesn't matter whether what Rove did or not was illegal, he should be taken out of office. I don't believe he was advocating illegal action to "take out" Rove, although I can see how you would interpret it that way.
I think its pretty sorry that you have to commit a crime before your eligible for removal from this administration.
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Exactly -- I said by any means available. Personally, I think this whole GW episode speaks to very serious problems in our country. IMO, by not firing Rove and offering a public apology, GW has assumed personal responsibility for these heinous acts. There is something very wrong when acts of grievous immorality propel someone to the presidency of the U.S. In a decent world populated by decent people, this crap would/should have been political suicide.

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Well, what do you expect from a gang of murderers? It is time that we face up to the fact that that is indeed what they are - a collection of murderers, theives, backstabbers and lowlife felons. With a little luck this country will wake up to this fact and vote the GOP out of Congress so these criminals can be investigated and tried. The GOP Congress has been the equivalant of the Chicago Police in the 1930's, letting George Capone and his gang victimize the world and this country with treason and murder.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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My point is that they are not really to blame -- the American people are to blame, for it was they who empowered them.

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GermanStar,
Where in the my post do you see ANY defense of Rove? You're thinking with your political mind, again. I said nothing to defend him.
If he is guilty, he should pay the penalty decreed bt the law.
So should every dishonset, lying politician from any party.
That's gonna be a long list.
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I think he (Germanstar) meant that it doesn't matter whether what Rove did or not was illegal, he should be taken out of office. I don't believe he was advocating illegal action to "take out" Rove, although I can see how you would interpret it that way.
I think its pretty sorry that you have to commit a crime before your eligible for removal from this administration.
Rove doesn't hold an office. He is not subject to congressional oversight. He's a paid operative of the president.

He was in there from the first election and has been there ever since. Everybody who voted for Bush voted for his team. They got 51% or so of the popular vote.

Bush doesn't appear especially interested in popularity polls. Probably because he won the only polls that matter.

Everybody who voted for Bush voted for his team. They won. In a few years there will be another contest. Best wishes for your favorite candidate. In the next contest I hope our country gets more than what it deserves and less than it wants.

Every contest among the Republicrats seems to pit two persons whom I wouldn't care to run, against each other. That's why I vote 3rd party. Maybe someday we'll break one or both of the parties. When that happens there will be a massive reshuffling. It needed to happen 60 years ago. I'm hoping it will happen in my lifetime.

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