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russkies are using even older technology.. seems pretty reliable, safe and way cheaper... they have been carrying the load for a while now..



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I believe it is closer to 25 years for most of the fleet, which sould have been replaced a long time ago. Many may not remember that the Shuttle program was behind schedual and would have saved Skylab. I personally would like to see a vehicle built in space that would not need the crazy amount of fuel required to exscape Earth. I tend to agree with that robotic space flight is way less exepensive and all you have to do is look at the Mars rovers to see what kind of return you get. Perhaps we should save manned space flights for a time when we have better technology. I think this quote from Flash Gordan says it best, "Silly Earthlings, hurrling their bodies into the void."
One thing is obvious, Mars isn't going anywhere and the human race has at least a few million years of time on it's hands. These shuttle crashes simply show we are not ready for this yet, and like an alcholic at the bar, we are not ready to admit it. Changing the focus to robotics would allow us to develop technology that could allow greater human travel, but ultimately, what's the point? We have Predator drones that can see whether or not you shaved this morning before it kills you, with some smuck looking at you over a TV screen pulling the trigger. What the hell is the difference between that type of space exploration or some bozo astronuat doing it? Why do we need someone up there playing golf, jumping around like an idiot, planting flags, etc, when what we really want is some of the Mars stuff in a box?




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I believe it is closer to 25 years for most of the fleet, which sould have been replaced a long time ago. Many may not remember that the Shuttle program was behind schedual and would have saved Skylab. I personally would like to see a vehicle built in space that would not need the crazy amount of fuel required to exscape Earth. I tend to agree with that robotic space flight is way less exepensive and all you have to do is look at the Mars rovers to see what kind of return you get. Perhaps we should save manned space flights for a time when we have better technology. I think this quote from Flash Gordan says it best, "Silly Earthlings, hurrling their bodies into the void."
One thing is obvious, Mars isn't going anywhere and the human race has at least a few million years of time on it's hands. These shuttle crashes simply show we are not ready for this yet, and like an alcholic at the bar, we are not ready to admit it. Changing the focus to robotics would allow us to develop technology that could allow greater human travel, but ultimately, what's the point? We have Predator drones that can see whether or not you shaved this morning before it kills you, with some smuck looking at you over a TV screen pulling the trigger. What the hell is the difference between that type of space exploration or some bozo astronuat doing it? Why do we need someone up there playing golf, jumping around like an idiot, planting flags, etc, when what we really want is some of the Mars stuff in a box?


Because it's a global "bigger dick" contest that shows we're the best. This could be done with HAL I agree but it would be less appealing. How many times did you watch an unmanned launch? Never I hope.
In my opinion, all hopes for a more efficient way of space travel were dashed with the untimely death of James Doohan.

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They should sling shot those Air Force jocks up there. It's cheap, same thrill, and simple. Just have to build a giant sling shot with rubber band that won't break and re-usable [:D]

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They should sling shot those Air Force jocks up there. It's cheap, same thrill, and simple. Just have to build a giant sling shot with rubber band that won't break and re-usable [:D]
Talk about whiplash.
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As long as we are in concur mode instead of exploration. The song remains the same...
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As long as we are in concur mode instead of exploration. The song remains the same...
I have to conquer with you.[;)]

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I believe it is closer to 25 years for most of the fleet, which sould have been replaced a long time ago. Many may not remember that the Shuttle program was behind schedual and would have saved Skylab. I personally would like to see a vehicle built in space that would not need the crazy amount of fuel required to exscape Earth. I tend to agree with that robotic space flight is way less exepensive and all you have to do is look at the Mars rovers to see what kind of return you get. Perhaps we should save manned space flights for a time when we have better technology. I think this quote from Flash Gordan says it best, "Silly Earthlings, hurrling their bodies into the void."
One thing is obvious, Mars isn't going anywhere and the human race has at least a few million years of time on it's hands. These shuttle crashes simply show we are not ready for this yet, and like an alcholic at the bar, we are not ready to admit it. Changing the focus to robotics would allow us to develop technology that could allow greater human travel, but ultimately, what's the point? We have Predator drones that can see whether or not you shaved this morning before it kills you, with some smuck looking at you over a TV screen pulling the trigger. What the hell is the difference between that type of space exploration or some bozo astronuat doing it? Why do we need someone up there playing golf, jumping around like an idiot, planting flags, etc, when what we really want is some of the Mars stuff in a box?


Because it's a global "bigger dick" contest that shows we're the best. This could be done with HAL I agree but it would be less appealing. How many times did you watch an unmanned launch? Never I hope.
In my opinion, all hopes for a more efficient way of space travel were dashed with the untimely death of James Doohan.
Hmmmm.. the "National Penis" theory. I do have this picture of Shuttle designers......

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RE: The Shuttle is a Hunk of Crap

While I'll agree that we can do a lot more in the way of exploration with unmanned probes for the same cost, it's also useful to experiment to see how the human body adapts to a zero-G environment. Hopefully Virgin (and others) will be able to send commercial flights into space soon enough. Once the economies of scale hit the space travel research groups maybe some significant breakthroughs will be made in cost.

Also, as alluded to before, manned missions have a higher marketability. This marketability translates into interest and donations (either direct or through fees paid to museum gift shops). I'm not sure if sustaining interest through "feel good" directives to send hearty Americans into the depths of space would actually pay for the increased expense of creating a mobile biosphere, but I could certainly see a diminished interest in space and a few botched missions (like the European Mars lander) pretty much killing all space exploration.

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RE: The Shuttle is a Hunk of Crap

I have a question. Say the US manages to get to Mars and it discovers intelligent life. To top it, it also discovers that the food source for this intelligent life can be used as fuel for some fancy spacecraft enabling it to hit warp 10 as a cruise speed.
Of course the food source is finite and can sustain space travel for a 5 years exploration window. Maybe there is a good probability that the same fuel can be found if the exploration takes place, maybe not. What do you think will be the “patriotic� thing to do? Kill’em all and use the food? Steal some and promise to repay them? Give it up and let them live? Switch them into a McDonald’s diet?
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