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Pentagon fears Iraqi army infiltrated by insurgents

Seven U.S. Marines killed in Iraq
Death toll passes 1,800


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BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. military said Tuesday that six Marines were killed in action in western Iraq.

The Marines, assigned to Regimental Combat Team-2 of the 2nd Marine Division, died Monday in Haditha, 140 miles northwest of Baghdad.

A seventh Marine was killed by a car bomb in Hit, 50 miles southeast of Haditha in the volatile Euphrates River valley.
The seven fatalities pushed the death toll for Americans since the start of the war past 1,800.

Insurgents posted handbills in Haditha, claiming to have killed 10 U.S. troops and seizing some of their weapons.

At least 1,801 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count. At least 1,382 died as a result of hostile action. The figures include five military civilians.

Were killings an inside job?
For U.S. military officials, the deaths of the six Marines killed in action Monday raises an unsettling prospect: that they may have been victims of someone with inside information.

The six were members of two sniper teams, trained to pick off the enemy at a distance, one-by-one, with a single precision shot.

Officials report the sniper teams were working together and in position when they were ambushed by an unknown number of insurgents.


Marines nearby heard the short, heavy burst of enemy gunfire that apparently killed five of the Marine snipers instantly. Evidence indicates the attack came so quickly the Marines were unable to return fire.

The sixth Marine either escaped or was taken prisoner but was later found dead a mile or so from the scene of the attack.

The attack is eerily similar to one in nearby Ramadi more than a year ago, when four Marine snipers were ambushed and killed.

In both cases, it's feared the Marines were betrayed by insurgents who had infiltrated the Iraqi military. In fact, a recent Pentagon report warns that some Iraqi military and police recruits may be insurgent or terrorist infiltrators.

“We need their skills and abilities, so we have to accept some level of risk in having them in the new security forces,� said Jeffrey White, a Pentagon official.

More injuries in Baghdad
In other violence, a roadside bomb targeting a U.S. military convoy exploded Tuesday at the entrance to a tunnel in central Baghdad, and at least 29 civilians were wounded, officials said.

The blast hit as the convoy was about to enter the tunnel in Bab Shargi, near Tahrir Square, said police Capt. Abdul-Hussein Munsif. Two Humvees appeared to have been damaged, he said.
.S. and Iraqi forces placed a security cordon around the area. The U.S. military had no immediate information on casualties.

An emergency services official said on customary condition of anonymity that 29 wounded civilians were taken to two hospitals.

The bomb left a three-foot-wide crater in the ground. Charred parts from the armored Humvee littered the site and seven civilian cars were also badly damaged.

Blast in Samarra
U.S. troops took away some items from the damaged armored vehicle, including a helmet and two flak jackets.

In Samarra, 60 miles north of the capital, an explosion about 5 a.m. Tuesday damaged a pipeline used for shipping fuel from the Beiji refinery to a power station in the Baghdad area, police said. Insurgents have frequently targeted the line to interrupt electricity in the Baghdad area — already critically low as demand rises in the summer.

The U.S. military said a reporter for the Army Times newspaper embedded with American troops was injured in a suicide car bombing Monday evening in western Iraq near the Syrian border.

U.S. military spokesman Capt. Duane Limpert had no details on the extent of injuries to the reporter, and he added that troops reported only minor injuries.

Amid violence, Iraqi constitution deadline nears
As the Aug. 15 deadline neared for finishing Iraq's new constitution, U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad called for it to protect women's rights, saying it was an important element for the country's success.

After meeting with representatives from some Iraqi women's groups, Khalilzad said they agreed that the equality of women "is a fundamental requirement for Iraq's progress."

The ambassador said that the U.S. government is expecting a constitution that would ensure full rights to all Iraqis, regardless of their sex, ethnicity or gender.

"My focus is to help get a constitution that does this. Of course, the Iraqis will decide but we will help in any way that we can," he said.

Khalilzad said his government would encourage Iraqi politicians to exclude any constitutional articles that discriminate or limit opportunities for any Iraqi citizens



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What are a few military lives when balanced against all the benefits this war has brought the masses living in the United States? Like... Well... Um... Hold on a minute...
Well the oil is secure and safe and we can now produce it ourselves; err, scratch that as gas prices are through the roof as of right now and for the for seeable future. Well then surely the war has brought fear and stability in the middle east; but Iran is going forward with nuclear bomb making materials anyway. And China is increasingly flexing its new found muscle and kicking dirt at the run amok USA. Ah shucks, I guess I can't think of anything postive this war brings to the table. I think I will listen to AM radio tonight so I can come up with some well thought out answers to this tired, old question...
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My neighbor called it!
He's a specialist in the Army, veteran of both gulf wars and damn if he didn't predict this 2 years ago.

He basically laid it out. We have about 140K guys there training and arming about 150-200k Iraqis in combat. If these guys ever become capable they can easily undermine us and start inflicting some real pain. I've read stories about police recruits signing up drawing a paycheck and then disappearing only to come back with a bomb strapped to them. They've uncovered some recruits have been working with the insurgency through fingerprints taken from bombings and bomb making materials found.
I don't want to say it, but its starting to look a little more like the V word.
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This happens all over again and again. CIA trains clandestine rebels, only to have the trained come back and inflict damage.

Is it about time that the CIA learned something? Sting sang "History Will Teach Us Nothing" but it is because of these bozos that contemporary events remain interesting for next generation of scholars.




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It seems so obvious. Kill a guy's mom, his brother, his kids, then give him a gun and tell him to protect you. Like I said, shitheadism.
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Fourteen Marines, civilian killed in bombing

Wednesday, August 3, 2005; Posted: 11:21 a.m. EDT (15:21 GMT)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A roadside bomb blast killed 14 Marines and a civilian interpreter Wednesday as they rode in a vehicle near Haditha, Iraq, U.S. military officials said.

The military said the bomb struck the amphibious assault vehicle about 1 mile (about 2 kilometers) south of Haditha, a city along the Euphrates River about 135 miles (217 kilometers) northwest of Baghdad. The military said one Marine was wounded.

The 14 Marines belonged to the same Ohio-based battalion as six Marines who were killed in the region on Monday, according to The Associated Press.

The six sniper team members were killed in a firefight near Haditha. A suicide car bomb killed a seventh Marine Monday in nearby Hit.

The number of U.S. troops killed in the Iraq war stands at 1,820, according to U.S. military reports.

Haditha and Hit are Sunni Arab cities along the Euphrates River. Hit is 95 miles (152 kilometers) northwest of Baghdad. U.S. and Iraqi troops recently have been trying to clear insurgents out of both cities.

They are in sprawling Anbar province, which stretches from the western environs of Baghdad to the Syrian, Jordanian and Saudi borders.

U.S. journalist found dead
U.S. freelance journalist Steven Vincent was found shot to death in the southern Iraqi city of Basra early Wednesday, officials said.

A Basra police official said Vincent and his female interpreter, Nuriya Tiays, had been abducted about 12:30 a.m. (4:30 p.m. Tuesday) in the Ashar area of central Basra.

Vincent's body was found about a 10-minute drive from the place where he and Tiays were kidnapped, the official said. Tiays was shot in the chest and was being treated in a hospital.

Vincent was in Basra writing a book about the history of the city. He also maintained an Internet blog about his life in Iraq.

The New York Times published on Sunday an editorial written by Vincent about the growing influence of Islamic militants in the largely Shiite city of Basra and British efforts to train new security forces. He wrote that security forces were heavily influenced by such groups as the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq and supporters of Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. (Full story)

Other developments

The Iraqi Islamic Party politburo on Wednesday condemned a U.S. raid Tuesday at the Baghdad home of Adnan al-Dulaimi, spokesman for the General Conference of Sunnis. The U.S. military said it believed a wanted suspect was at Dulaimi's home and he was detained for 10 minutes and treated with respect. The politburo said forces "messed around with the contents of the house, terrorized women and children, tied Dr. Dulaimi's hands and blindfolded him for not a short time."


Two Iraqi police officers were assassinated within 12 hours of each other in Baghdad, police said Wednesday. The first police officer was killed about 9 p.m. Tuesday, when gunmen opened fire on his car in the western Baghdad neighborhood of Amiriya as he returned home, police said. Gunmen killed the second police officer about 8:30 a.m. Wednesday as he left home in the western Baghdad neighborhood of Al-Jami'a, police said.


A suicide car bomber attacked a U.S. military convoy Tuesday as it traveled through an underpass beneath al-Tahrir Square in Baghdad, wounding 29 people, Iraqi police said. Fifteen vehicles were destroyed.


In Baquba, about 30 miles north of Baghdad, police said gunmen killed a Diyala province Health Ministry official and his driver Tuesday near Diyala Medical College. Dr. Abdul Hassan Mehdi was director of Khalis General Hospital in the town of Khalis, police said.


Also in Baquba, a bomb attack on a police convoy killed a police officer and a child Tuesday, police said. Seven police and a civilian were wounded.

CNN's Enes Dulami, Cal Perry and Mohammed Tawfeeq contributed to this report.

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A roadside bomb blast killed 14 Marines and a civilian interpreter Wednesday as they rode in a vehicle near Haditha, Iraq, U.S. military officials said.
This is ridiculous. We are fighting this war on the insurgents terms. All these damn IED's. I was reading about the escalations involved in the IED battles.
At first there was a guy nearby the bomb to trigger it, but then the troops started spotting them and killing them before they could blow them up. Then they started using remote triggering over RF. The Hummers were then outfitted with RF jammers. Then the insurgents started using a transmitter to the bomb, if the transmission was jammed then the bomb would explode. Apparently, we've tried to mimic the transmission now but we aren't able to because the transmission is encrypted (which is kinda scary because it means these guys have access to a lot of materials).
This IED arms race is just ridiculous. Can't we find another way to prosecute this war. It seems like we're fighting on their terms.
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What a bunch sore losers. Far too sensitive as well. So we take out a few family memebers. What is that when we are spreading oilmocracy!
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This happens all over again and again. CIA trains clandestine rebels, only to have the trained come back and inflict damage.

Is it about time that the CIA learned something? Sting sang "History Will Teach Us Nothing" but it is because of these bozos that contemporary events remain interesting for next generation of scholars.


If people weren't dying this could be called a comedy of errors that started in Afghanistan. Well, we helped the Russians on their path to freedom and since that's where the most billionares are now I guess that was a good one. That's how we keep score. Wonder what that makes the China$$???
What good does sitting here and moaning about the obvious do except drive Kirk crazy? Me too, but I've been certifiable for years. Just dig a hole and sit in it wearing your helmet - it shouldn't be to much longer unless a super bug rises to defeat us all.
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A roadside bomb blast killed 14 Marines and a civilian interpreter Wednesday as they rode in a vehicle near Haditha, Iraq, U.S. military officials said.
This is ridiculous. We are fighting this war on the insurgents terms. All these damn IED's. I was reading about the escalations involved in the IED battles.
At first there was a guy nearby the bomb to trigger it, but then the troops started spotting them and killing them before they could blow them up. Then they started using remote triggering over RF. The Hummers were then outfitted with RF jammers. Then the insurgents started using a transmitter to the bomb, if the transmission was jammed then the bomb would explode. Apparently, we've tried to mimic the transmission now but we aren't able to because the transmission is encrypted (which is kinda scary because it means these guys have access to a lot of materials).
This IED arms race is just ridiculous. Can't we find another way to prosecute this war. It seems like we're fighting on their terms.
What it really shows is that we have failed in the primary mission - to disarm these guys, and not just the ones that want to kill us, I mean the whole friggin bunch. The Shiites are building a huge militia, and the soldiers in that militia are not going to be fighting for any country called "Iraq", they are going to be fighting for the Islamic Revolution. The Kurds have built a huge militia, and the soldiers in that militia are not going to be fighting for any country called "Iraq", they are going to be fighting for Kurdistan. The Baathists are fighting for The Arab Republic. Personnally, I think the Shiites are about to turn on us, like they did at the beginning of this thing, this time much better armed, thanks to us. They will have control of the new Iraqi Army as well, from which they will get sophisticated weapons and intelligence on our movements. They are simply following their history - the Shiites did the same thing to the British in 1920, and joined up with the Baathists when they did it. Their "1920 Revolution" is still considered a huge holiday among all Arabs, whether they are Sunni or Shiite. We are like kids playing with gasoline and gunpowder on a stove.


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