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By Alexandra Harney in Beijing and Demetri Sevastopulo and Edward Alden in Washington
Published: July 14 2005 21:59 | Last updated: July 15 2005 00:03

China is prepared to use nuclear weapons against the US if it is attacked by Washington during a confrontation over Taiwan, a Chinese general said on Thursday.

“If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons,� said General Zhu Chenghu.
Gen Zhu was speaking at a function for foreign journalists organised, in part, by the Chinese government. He added that China's definition of its territory included warships and aircraft.
“If the Americans are determined to interfere [then] we will be determined to respond,� said Gen Zhu, who is also a professor at China's National Defence University.
“We . . . will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xian. Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds . . . of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese.�
Gen Zhu is a self-acknowledged “hawk� who has warned that China could strike the US with long-range missiles. But his threat to use nuclear weapons in a conflict over Taiwan is the most specific by a senior Chinese official in nearly a decade.
However, some US-based China experts cautioned that Gen Zhu probably did not represent the mainstream People's Liberation Army view.
“He is running way beyond his brief on what China might do in relation to the US if push comes to shove,� said one expert with knowledge of Gen Zhu. “Nobody who is cleared for information on Chinese war scenarios is going to talk like this,� he added.
Gen Zhu's comments come as the Pentagon prepares to brief Congress next Monday on its annual report on the Chinese military, which is expected to take a harder line than previous years. They are also likely to fuel the mounting anti-China sentiment on Capitol Hill.
In recent months, a string of US officials, including Donald Rumsfeld, defence secretary, have raised concerns about China's military rise. The Pentagon on Thursday declined to comment on “hypothetical scenarios�.
Rick Fisher, a former senior US congressional official and an authority on the Chinese military, said the specific nature of the threat “is a new addition to China's public discourse�. China's official doctrine has called for no first use of nuclear weapons since its first atomic test in 1964. But Gen Zhu is not the first Chinese official to refer to the possibility of using such weapons first in a conflict over Taiwan.
Chas Freeman, a former US assistant secretary of defence, said in 1996 that a PLA official had told him China could respond in kind to a nuclear strike by the US in the event of a conflict with Taiwan. The official is believed to have been Xiong Guangkai, now the PLA's deputy chief of general staff.
Gen Zhu said his views did not represent official Chinese policy and he did not anticipate war with the US.
Additional reporting by Richard McGregor in Beijing
Ah idle threats that can be backed up with imaginary WMD, what will be a response to this? This world is turning into a school recess ground where bullies beat up on smaller bullies. Maybe the US administration must show the Chinese the democratic ways. Maybe an invasion is in order followed by a wave of evangelical crusaders to teach those ignorant how to be civil and respect the way of life that will not be relinquished to the last drop of oil and the last SUV out off Detroit.

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I think the US will let Taiwan just fade away.
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From: http://news.ft.com/cms/s/28cfe55a-f4a7-11d9-9dd1-00000e2511c8.html
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Top Chinese general warns US over attack
By Alexandra Harney in Beijing and Demetri Sevastopulo and Edward Alden in Washington
Published: July 14 2005 21:59 | Last updated: July 15 2005 00:03

China is prepared to use nuclear weapons against the US if it is attacked by Washington during a confrontation over Taiwan, a Chinese general said on Thursday.

“If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons,� said General Zhu Chenghu.
Gen Zhu was speaking at a function for foreign journalists organised, in part, by the Chinese government. He added that China's definition of its territory included warships and aircraft.
“If the Americans are determined to interfere [then] we will be determined to respond,� said Gen Zhu, who is also a professor at China's National Defence University.
“We . . . will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xian. Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds . . . of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese.�
Gen Zhu is a self-acknowledged “hawk� who has warned that China could strike the US with long-range missiles. But his threat to use nuclear weapons in a conflict over Taiwan is the most specific by a senior Chinese official in nearly a decade.
However, some US-based China experts cautioned that Gen Zhu probably did not represent the mainstream People's Liberation Army view.
“He is running way beyond his brief on what China might do in relation to the US if push comes to shove,� said one expert with knowledge of Gen Zhu. “Nobody who is cleared for information on Chinese war scenarios is going to talk like this,� he added.
Gen Zhu's comments come as the Pentagon prepares to brief Congress next Monday on its annual report on the Chinese military, which is expected to take a harder line than previous years. They are also likely to fuel the mounting anti-China sentiment on Capitol Hill.
In recent months, a string of US officials, including Donald Rumsfeld, defence secretary, have raised concerns about China's military rise. The Pentagon on Thursday declined to comment on “hypothetical scenarios�.
Rick Fisher, a former senior US congressional official and an authority on the Chinese military, said the specific nature of the threat “is a new addition to China's public discourse�. China's official doctrine has called for no first use of nuclear weapons since its first atomic test in 1964. But Gen Zhu is not the first Chinese official to refer to the possibility of using such weapons first in a conflict over Taiwan.
Chas Freeman, a former US assistant secretary of defence, said in 1996 that a PLA official had told him China could respond in kind to a nuclear strike by the US in the event of a conflict with Taiwan. The official is believed to have been Xiong Guangkai, now the PLA's deputy chief of general staff.
Gen Zhu said his views did not represent official Chinese policy and he did not anticipate war with the US.
Additional reporting by Richard McGregor in Beijing
Ah idle threats that can be backed up with imaginary WMD, what will be a response to this? This world is turning into a school recess ground where bullies beat up on smaller bullies. Maybe the US administration must show the Chinese the democratic ways. Maybe an invasion is in order followed by a wave of evangelical crusaders to teach those ignorant how to be civil and respect the way of life that will not be relinquished to the last drop of oil and the last SUV out off Detroit.
I don't agree. Taiwan is part of China. It always has been, even they acknowledge it. I have never considered it a country. It is another area where we should butt out. The inclusion of capitalist Taiwan with capitalist Hong Kong and increasingly capitalist coastal China can only do these people good. China is heading towards a synthesis of communism and capitalism into typical social democracy. It is inevitable, and the only people who can screw it up is us (as usual) by bringing unnessecary war to the place.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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I think Taiwan will remain Taiwan and both china and us will back out .
China has too much too loose economically if they went to war but then their booming economy is capable of supporting war. On the other hand usa which lacks troops and resources .

Its will be interesting to watch thought you will have a more experienced but older bull against a inexperienced younger bull with more vigor .

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I don't think so. War is at heart an illogical enterprise, driven by emotion, and nothing pisses China off more than Taiwan. Hitler went to war too soon, and still did it anyway. The Chinese may turn out to be no different. I personnally believe Taiwan will not put up much a fight. Why should they, if they get to keep their current way of life, as is turning out the case in Hong Kong?

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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I don't agree. Taiwan is part of China. It always has been, even they acknowledge it. I have never considered it a country. It is another area where we should butt out. The inclusion of capitalist Taiwan with capitalist Hong Kong and increasingly capitalist coastal China can only do these people good. China is heading towards a synthesis of communism and capitalism into typical social democracy. It is inevitable, and the only people who can screw it up is us (as usual) by bringing unnessecary war to the place.
As of now, yes. But if Taiwan votes for independence and then asks the US for help (which I believe is the most likely scenario if any action is taken) what would you support? The US won't pre-emptively strike China because they see the billions of people they can sell stuff to and because China is on their side with respect to North Korea.

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Salam Demon,
I tend to agree with KV on this one. Taiwan was and will be Chinese territory.
It’s just a matter of how this is going to be handled. My hypothesis is that the US will first as usual back Taiwan under the pretext that unlike China it is a democracy. When the heat will be applied for real the US will back up just like it did with the Kurds and Shiite that got slaughtered when Saddam regained relative control. Taiwan will be sacrificed because as germanstar said let’s play chicken. I wonder who the US will blame when Taiwan will be swept under the rug?
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Totally agree with KV. Taiwan has always been part of China until 1949. It is BS for the U.S. even considers to get involved.

China is only claiming what belongs to them. The turn over of Hong Kong and Macau had been peaceful and actully productive in a global perspective.

The last thing we want is to engage ourselves with China/Taiwan dispute. It is a loss/loss situation.

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I have little hope we will stay out. The same rabid anti-UN, far right morons who form the base of the current US fascist movement (aka "The GOP") have been begging for war over Taiwan since I was a kid in the '60s. These idiots are turning the world into a world where madness reigns.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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