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I haven't heard about sandy burger since I brought Carl's Junior to the beach picnic. Also, didn't those highly confidential documents turn out to be on the public record?
Aren't all federal documents public record? The point is that they were classified. I've heard speculation that some documents which would implicate neglegence on the part of the Clinton admin. relative to Osama or some other terror organ, have been lost as a result of this event....This, of course, is speculation....we'll never know. The documents are incomplete now.
From what I read, they were personal notes taken by Burger during presidential deliberations on terrorism. That would likely be Top Secret Code Word stuff. Somebody speculated that his observations may be been embarrassing to him or the Clinton Administration and he took the notes to cleanse them or hide them. Turns out he lost them, but didn't know that all of the original notes had been copied. Some of the notes are ref'd in the 9/11 Report. Apparently nothing terribly damaging or we would have heard ALL about it.

I feel sorry for Burger. I think he was a good public servant that tried hard to avoid the political wrangling. He is a serious analyst. I don't feel sorry for him concerning his terrible breach of trust.

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Was it Ari Fleischer?


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We can play the guessing game for months, and we probably will: With several sources confirming that Karl Rove was Bob Novak's second source for his Valerie Plame column, which "senior administration official" was the first? There are several attractive candidates -- including Vice President Dick Cheney and his chief of staff, Scooter Libby -- but at least a little attention is focusing now on former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer, either as a leaker himself or as a participant in a subsequent coverup.

The New York Daily News says it has "sources" who say that special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is "looking beyond" the question of who leaked Plame's identity to see whether White House aides tried to "cover their tracks" after her name became public. The sources tell the Daily News that Fitzgerald's grand jury is investigating what role, if any, Fleischer may have played in the case.

As Think Progress notes, Fleischer has been mentioned in connection with the case before. Bloomberg reported earlier this week that "people familiar with the inquiry" were saying that Fitzgerald was reviewing Fleischer's testimony, "though it is not clear whether the prosecutor is focusing on him or seeking information about higher-ups." Fleischer refused to comment when Bloomberg contacted him. According to the Los Angeles Times, Fleischer has denied leaking Plame's name before -- and on this point, perhaps it bears noting that Karl Rove used to deny leaking Plame's name, too.

How would Fleischer have known about Plame's identity? Here's how Think Progress connects the dots:

Shortly after Joseph Wilson published his New York Times Op-Ed -- but before Novak's column first appeared -- Fleischer accompanied Bush and then Secretary of State Colin Powell on a trip to Africa. Newsweek's Michael Isikoff tells CNN that Powell took a classified report with him on that trip, and that the report contained information about Plame's job at the CIA.

Federal investigators have questioned Fleischer about the Plame case, the Associated Press reported in February 2004. And as Newsday has reported, Fitzgerald has shown an interest in the activities of the White House press office during the Africa trip. Fitzgerald served a subpoena seeking a transcript of a press briefing Fleischer gave in Africa, one in which he criticized Wilson as a "lower-level official" who had made flawed and incomplete statements. And, as Knight Ridder has reported, Fitzgerald has sought phone records from Air Force One "to determine whether presidential aides used the aircraft's phones to leak" Plame's name.

Is all that enough to convict the president's former spokesman? Not even close. But does it show that Fleischer had an interest in discrediting Joe Wilson and at least potential access to the information he might have used to do so? You bet. Put his name on the list.


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Karl Rove exonerated? Not exactly

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Karl Rove has been exonerated!

That might not be the message you took away after learning that Rove not only told Time's Matthew Cooper that Joseph Wilson's wife worked at the CIA but also confirmed the story for Robert Novak as well. Reading the revelation about the Rove-Novak call in today's New York Times, you might have concluded that the evidence of Rove's involvement in leaking Valerie Plame's identity is growing -- that it's more clear than ever before that Rove was lying when he said, "I didn't know her name, I didn't leak her name."

But if that's the way you think, well, then, you're not Ken Mehlman. See, here's what you've got to understand. The latest news establishes that "Karl Rove wasn't the leaker. He was actually the recipient of the information." That's what Mehlman told Fox News this morning.

Let's break this down. Was Rove "the recipient of the information" when he talked with Matthew Cooper on July 11, 2003? No, he was "the leaker" then: When Cooper asked Rove about the charges Joe Wilson was making, Rove told Cooper that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA. Was Rove "the recipient of the information" when he talked with Bob Novak on July 8, 2003? Yes, but he was also "the leaker" then. When Novak told Rove during their telephone call that he'd heard that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA, Rove confirmed the fact for him.

Now, unless Rove was somehow born knowing that Valerie Plame worked at the CIA, he was at some point "the recipient of the information." The Associated Press has a source who says that Rove told the grand jury that he believes he first heard that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA from some other reporter before he talked with Novak. The Washington Post has a source -- maybe the same one -- who tells a similar story.

But this is where things get a little interesting. In the version of the Post's story that went up on its Web site early Friday morning, the Post's source was quoted as saying of Rove, "I don't think that he has a clear recollection" about where he first heard that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA. The source said that Rove told investigators "that he believes he may have heard it from a journalist." (The Indianapolis Star picked up the early version of the Post's story, and you can read it here.) But in the version of the story up on the Post's site now, the quote from the source has disappeared -- and with it, any sense that Rove is uncertain about whether he first heard the news from a journalist. In the new version of the story, the Post paraphrases its source as saying that Rove "told investigators that he first learned about the operative from a journalist" but that he does not recall who the journalist was or when he might have talked with him or her. So is Rove sure he actually heard it from a reporter first, or does he just "believe" he "may" have? That seems to us an important distinction, especially since Rove seems to have such a clear memory of his conversation with Novak.

So was Rove "the recipient" or "the leaker"? In the end, it's a false choice. Rove was plainly "the recipient" of information about Plame at some point, even if it's not so clear from whom. But he was just as plainly "the leaker" -- or, at least, "a leaker" -- too.

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By PETE YOST

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WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House is maintaining silence over the leak of a CIA officer's identity despite a journalist's disclosure that Vice President Dick Cheney's top aide was a source for a story about the intelligence agent.

A role for Cheney chief of staff Lewis Libby is among details revealed Sunday by Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper, who wrote a first-person account in this week's issue.

Recounting a July 11, 2003, conversation with senior Bush political adviser Karl Rove, Cooper recalled that Rove told him, "I've already said too much" after revealing that the wife of administration critic Joseph Wilson apparently worked at the CIA.

Cooper speculated that Rove could have been "worried about being indiscreet, or it could have meant he was late for a meeting or something else."
"I don't know, but that signoff has been in my memory for two years," Cooper wrote.

Until it refused to issue more denials last week, the White House had insisted for nearly two years that Libby and Rove had no connection to the leak of the identity of Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame.

On Sunday, Bush administration spokesman David Almacy declined to comment about Libby, citing an independent counsel's ongoing investigation of the case.

Cooper said the 2003 phone call with Rove was the first time he had heard anything about Wilson's wife.

He said he had a subsequent conversation about Wilson and his wife with Libby.

According to Cooper, "Libby replied, 'Yeah, I've heard that too' or words to that effect" when Cooper asked if Libby had heard anything about Wilson's wife sending her husband to the African nation of Niger to investigate the possible sale of uranium to Iraq for nuclear weapons.

As part of Patrick Fitzgerald's criminal probe of the identity leak, Cooper testified about his conversation with Libby in a deposition at his lawyer's office in August 2004. Libby, as Rove did this month, provided a specific waiver of confidentiality. In a grand jury appearance last Wednesday, Cooper gave his account of what Rove told him.

Cooper also said there may have been other government officials who were sources for his article. Time posted "A War on Wilson?" on its Web site on July 17, 2003.

In an effort to quell a chorus of calls to fire Rove, Republicans said Sunday that he first learned about Plame's identity from the news media.

"The information exonerates and vindicates, it does not implicate" Rove, Republican Party chairman Ken Mehlman said on NBC's "Meet the Press.""Folks involved in this, frankly, owe Karl Rove an apology."

There were no takers.

The White House's assurance in 2003 that Rove was not involved in the leak of the CIA officer's identity "was a lie" and Rove's credibility "is in shreds," said John Podesta, who was chief of staff in the Clinton White House.

It is unclear whether a journalist first revealed the information to Rove, as Mehlman said.

A lawyer familiar with Rove's grand jury testimony said Rove learned about the CIA officer either from the media or from someone in government who said the information came from a journalist. The lawyer spoke on condition of anonymity because the federal investigation is continuing.

Appearing on CBS'"Face the Nation," Wilson said, "I believe that using the West Wing of the White House to be engaged in a smear campaign is an outrageous abuse of power."

The CIA sent Wilson to check out intelligence that the government of Niger had a deal for the sale of yellowcake uranium to Iraq. Wilson did not find that such a deal took place.

Five days before Cooper's conversation with Rove, an op-ed piece by Wilson had appeared in The New York Times suggesting the Bush administration had manipulated pre-war intelligence to justify an invasion of Iraq.

In 2003, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the idea that Rove was involved in leaking information about Wilson's wife was "ridiculous."

"There's no evidence that (Rove has) done anything criminally wrong," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said on CBS. He said the American people are taking the controversy "for what it is - politics."


Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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REPUBLICANS RULE!

Politics aside ... Everyone needs to leave Rove alone. If you got proof ... put it up ... or shut it up.
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You are probably too stupid to realize the thing they do at a grand jury is present proof.
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