gnomo - 7/16/2005 11:26 AM
MS Fowler - 7/15/2005 7:20 PM
I heard a quote by Wilson, saying his wife was NOT a covert agent when her identity was leaked.
You guys are just hoping too hard that this is a real thing, but its all falling apart. If you examine the specifics of the law that Rove is supposed to have violated, you will se that he did not violate any of the specific requirements.
If you had some real issues, you might convince people, but you just can't run on hate!
I do not know about you, but the fact someone bandied about the identity of a CIA agent in this manner, no matter what the underlying details and technicalities, is extremely distressing. It is a moral statement that says "I have the right to compromise the security of this nation in the name of politics". I myself hope to see anyone in government involved in this harmed in the greatest ways legally possible. At this point, what I have heard of Rove's involvement qualifies him to be burned. It is obvious his statement that he never discussed Plame is a lie, no matter what these piss point details are. The man should immediately resign. I wish you would rethink making this a point of political issue - it is not, it is a moral issue of how men in high government office should behave and how they should not put politics above the welfare of the nation, something which has obviously occurred here.
You would be equally outraged, no matter what the level of the employee is? I mean, what about a janitor, is it okay to mention his/her name?
How about a typist/secretary?
What about the DCIA?
I'm willing to bet that you don't actually mean, every CIA employee, just some of them, right? So, how are to know which ones are supposed to be clandestine and protected and which ones are not? Perhaps a list of CIA clandestine employees to check against?
This is why the law is so convoluted and requires that the CIA itself have a threshold for disclosure and that only people who know about both the law and the designation of the CIA agent are legally culpable.
Here's the latest rumormongering analysis concerning Rove, from the "Globe an Mail".
Reporter, not Rove, outed CIA operative, sources say
By PAUL KORING
Saturday, July 16, 2005 Page A12
WASHINGTON -- In the latest credulity-stretching twist to the summer's political drama in Washington, anonymous leakers say it was not Karl Rove, the President's right-hand man, who divulged the identity of a CIA operative in an effort to smear one of George W. Bush's critics.
Rather, it was a reporter (or perhaps two reporters) who told Mr. Rove, say the widely quoted but unnamed sources.
"I heard that too," Mr. Rove is reported to have replied when syndicated columnist Robert Novak telephoned him nearly a week before publishing the fact that Valerie Plame worked for the Central Intelligence Agency.
Ms. Plame is the wife of Joseph Wilson, a former ambassador who was sent to Niger to determine whether Iraq was buying uranium to build nuclear bombs, and who has become a vocal critic of the U.S. war in Iraq.
All of this matters because divulging the name of a covert agent (if that's what he did) could land Mr. Rove in jail. Doing so is a felony. More importantly, if Mr. Rove turns out to be the architect of a smear campaign to discredit Mr. Wilson, a vociferous critic of Mr. Bush's war in Iraq, then the President might have to fire one of his closest and longest-serving political confidants.
Mr. Rove said last year he did not know the name of Mr. Wilson's wife and was not the source of the leak.
Critics accuse him not just of lying to cover up the political dirty-tricks campaign, but of lying to the grand jury that is investigating whether a crime was committed when Ms. Plame was outed.
According to other anonymous sources, Mr. Rove told the grand jury that Mr. Novak told him that Ms. Plame worked for the CIA and that it was she who suggested her husband, Mr. Wilson, go to Niger to check the uranium claims. That was in July of 2003.
This week, Mr. Bush has made a point of chatting chummily to Mr. Rove, making it clear he is not going to toss a trusted and loyal adviser to the political sharks.
Two years into the saga of who did what to discredit whom and whether they lied about it later, very little has been established.
Democrats smell blood. Whether the brouhaha over Mr. Rove turns out to be summer silliness devoid of much substance or the first significant political misstep by the Bush administration remains to be seen.
But after nearly six years of failing to score political points against a tight-lipped, disciplined and buttoned down White House, the Democrats seem to believe their time has come.
The whiff of cover-up hangs in Washington's humid air, and the scent of political advantage has Democrats hoping for a kill and Republicans gathering to protect one of Mr. Bush's closest and most important political advisers.
Mr. Wilson, whose wife's name is at the centre of the scandal, says Mr. Rove should be fired.
He is guilty, Mr. Wilson said, of "outrageous abuse of power . . . certainly worthy of frog-marching out of the White House."