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DEAR WORLD -- By Rabbi Meir Kahane, Zt"l (November, 1988)

Dear World,

It appears that you are hard to please. I understand that you are upset over us, here in Israel. Indeed, it appears that you are quite upset, even angry and outraged! Indeed, every few years you seem to become upset over us. Today, it is the brutal repression of the Palestinians; yesterday, it was Lebanon; before that it was the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War campaign.

It appears that Jews who triumph and who, therefore, live, upset you most extraordinarily. Of course, dear world, long before there was an Israel, we, the Jewish people - upset you.

We upset a German people who elected a Hitler and we upset an Austrian people who cheered his entry into Vienna and we upset a whole slew of Slavic nations - Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians, Romanians. And we go back a long, long way in the history of world upset.

We upset the Cossacks of Chmielnicki who massacred tens of thousands of us in 1648-49; we upset the Crusaders who, on their way to liberate the Holy Land, were so upset at Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us. We upset, for centuries, a Roman Catholic Church that did its best to define our relationship through Inquisitions. And we upset the arch-enemy of the Church, Martin Luther, who, in his call to burn the synagogues and the Jews within them, showed an admirable Christian ecumenical spirit.

It is because we became so upset over upsetting you, dear world, that we decided to leave you - in a manner of speaking - and establish a Jewish State. The reasoning was that living in close contact with you, as resident-strangers in the various countries that comprise you, we upset you, irritate you, disturb you.

What better notion, then, than to leave you and thus love you - and have you love us? And so we decided to come home - to the same homeland from which we were driven out 1,900 years earlier by a Roman world that, apparently, we also upset.

Alas, dear world, it appears that you are hard to please. Having left you and your Pogroms and Inquisitions and Crusades and Holocausts, having taken our leave of the general world to live alone in our own little state - we continue to upset you.

You are upset that we repress the poor Palestinians. You are deeply angered over the fact that we do not give up the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to peace in the Middle East.

Moscow is upset and Washington is upset.

The Arabs are upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset. Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel. In 1920, 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede peace between Jews and Arabs.

Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset anybody. Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered hundreds of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron - in 1929.

Dear World, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967? And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered in Arab riots in 1936-39? Was it because of Arab upset over 1967? And when you, World, proposed a U.N. Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a Palestinian State alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried and went to war and killed 6,000 Jews - was that upset stomach caused by the aggression of 1967? And, by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of upset then?

The poor Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs and stones are part of the same people who - when they had all the territories they now demand be given them for their state - attempted to drive the Jewish State into the sea. The same twisted faces, the same hate, the same cry of "idbah-al-yahud" - "Slaughter the Jews!" that we hear and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream - destroy Israel. What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today - but we should not "repress" them.

Dear World, you stood by the Holocaust and you stood by in 1948 as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres.

You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction. And since we know that the Arabs-Palestinians daily dream of that extinction, we will do everything possible to remain alive in our own land. If that bothers you, dear world, well - think of how many times in the past you bothered us.

In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew in Israel who could not care less.

I feel so miserable without you; its almost like having you here.
-- Stephen Bishop
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"mostly say hooray for our side" Still poignant little ditty lyric today. Still them and us. When can it be we? No time soon. Oh well. Speaking of them and us try this thought on for size...
Jews have not been the best at making friends. Far too blatant in the double standard department. Maybe if they would not take their religion so seriously. Maybe if their neighbors wouldn't either. Maybe they are far too alike. That is always the biggest problem...
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"mostly say hooray for our side" Still poignant little ditty lyric today. Still them and us. When can it be we? No time soon. Oh well. Speaking of them and us try this thought on for size...
Jews have not been the best at making friends. Far too blatant in the double standard department. Maybe if they would not take their religion so seriously. Maybe if their neighbors wouldn't either. Maybe they are far too alike. That is always the biggest problem...
I have the ultimate solution. I should get the Nobel prize for peace on this one:
Jews and Arabs should be force to intermarry, have children and tie up their assets together. There will be no “us and them� anymore, nothing better than cousins getting into it together heehaw!
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"mostly say hooray for our side" Still poignant little ditty lyric today. Still them and us. When can it be we? No time soon. Oh well. Speaking of them and us try this thought on for size...
Jews have not been the best at making friends. Far too blatant in the double standard department. Maybe if they would not take their religion so seriously. Maybe if their neighbors wouldn't either. Maybe they are far too alike. That is always the biggest problem...
I have the ultimate solution. I should get the Nobel prize for peace on this one:
Jews and Arabs should be force to intermarry, have children and tie up their assets together. There will be no “us and them� anymore, nothing better than cousins getting into it together heehaw!
Hmmmmmm -- I hear Australians have a dingo problem...

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[/QUOTE]Hmmmmmm -- I hear Australians have a dingo problem...[/QUOTE]

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Thank you for the lesson.

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Still poignant little ditty lyric today ... Oh well. Speaking of them and us try this thought on for size...
Jews have not been the best at making friends.
Your right, we have it coming!
Now, if you could please indicate the way to the closest slaughter house, I'll follow you without causing much trouble. The keys to my car and bank account numbers are on the kitchen counter, please help yourself to them for your troubles, friend.

I feel so miserable without you; its almost like having you here.
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Still poignant little ditty lyric today ... Oh well. Speaking of them and us try this thought on for size...
Jews have not been the best at making friends.
Your right, we have it coming!
Now, if you could please indicate the way to the closest slaughter house, I'll follow you without causing much trouble. The keys to my car and bank account numbers are on the kitchen counter, please help yourself to them for your troubles, friend.
Easy TCP, I don't think he meant that. You are too sensitive.
Anyway, I got a present for you to cheer you up:
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-667725,36-671505,0.html
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Easy TCP, I don't think he meant that. You are too sensitive.
Anyway, I got a present for you to cheer you up:
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-667725,36-671505,0.html
Why are you trying to prevent me from making friends. It was hard enough before your misguided intervention.

Enrico is a nice enough guy, but I never could stand his syrupy music, kinda like Jo Dassin.

I feel so miserable without you; its almost like having you here.
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"mostly say hooray for our side" Still poignant little ditty lyric today. Still them and us. When can it be we? No time soon. Oh well. Speaking of them and us try this thought on for size...
Jews have not been the best at making friends. Far too blatant in the double standard department. Maybe if they would not take their religion so seriously. Maybe if their neighbors wouldn't either. Maybe they are far too alike. That is always the biggest problem...
I hear the older you get, the more trouble you have with your dingo.
I have the ultimate solution. I should get the Nobel prize for peace on this one:
Jews and Arabs should be force to intermarry, have children and tie up their assets together. There will be no “us and them� anymore, nothing better than cousins getting into it together heehaw!
Hmmmmmm -- I hear Australians have a dingo problem...

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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