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So when does Pakistan get invaded?
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hey if they bought education and freedom to saudi arabia 20-25 years ago.. there would be no one funding these "madrassas" of fundamental and extremist thoughts!!

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Car bomb kills 27, including children and GI
Soldiers were handing out candy in Baghdad when suicide bomber struck


Updated: 12:11 p.m. ET July 13, 2005
BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide car bomber drove up to a U.S. Humvee as soldiers were distributing candy to children and detonated his vehicle Wednesday, killing up to 27 people, officials and residents said. One U.S. soldier and about a dozen children were among the dead.

At least 70 others, including three U.S. soldiers, were injured in the attack, the second major suicide bombing in Baghdad this week. Twenty-five people were killed Sunday when a suicide attacker struck at an army recruiting center.

The fireball from Wednesday’s blast also set a nearby house ablaze, the U.S. military said. The attack stunned the impoverished east Baghdad neighborhood of mostly Shiite Muslims and Christians. An elderly woman dressed in traditional black beat her chest in front of her house in grief.

“There were some American troops blocking the highway when a U.S. Humvee came near a gathering of children, and U.S. soldiers began to hand them candies,� said Karim Shukir, 42. “Then suddenly, a speeding car bomb showed up and struck both the Humvee and the children.�

Hospitals and police said between 11 and 13 children were killed. Authorities scrambled to compile a count of the dead and injured.

“The explosion was mainly on the children,� resident Abbas Ali Jassim said.

In September, 35 Iraqi children were killed in a string of bombs that exploded as American troops were handing out candy at a government-sponsored celebration to inaugurate a sewage plant in west Baghdad. It was the largest death toll of children in any insurgent attack since the start of the Iraq conflict.

However, many of the families of children killed in September blamed the Americans because their presence attracted insurgents to the ceremony.

Hospital, funeral scenes
Following Wednesday’s bombing, charred remains of an engine block wrapped in barbed wire sat in the road. A child’s bicycle was crumpled beside the street, which was splattered with pools of blood.
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An Iraqi woman mourns outside the Baghdad morgue where the bodies of her son and other Iraqis killed Wednesday were taken.
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At Kindi hospital, where many of the dead and injured were taken, one distraught woman swathed in black sat cross-legged outside the operating room. “May God curse the mujahedeen and their leader,� she cried as she pounded her own head in grief.

Hours after the attack, about 200 people turned out for the funeral of five of the victims, in keeping with Muslim tradition to bury the dead quickly. The crowd shouted “Allahu akbar!� — “God is great — and some fired weapons in the air.

A U.S.-Iraqi military operation launched in May has significantly reduced suicide bombings in the capital. But U.S. and Iraqi authorities acknowledge that it is difficult to eliminate such attacks entirely.

Other developments
In other violence Wednesday:

Gunmen killed an Iraqi soldier while he was driving in western Baghdad, police said. Two other Iraqi soldiers, including one lieutenant, were killed in a gunfight in another west Baghdad neighborhood.
Coalition forces in Baghdad have captured Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s top lieutenant in Baghdad, Abu Abd al-Aziz, Gen. Richard Myers, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Tuesday on “The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer.�

A senior Interior Ministry official acknowledged that up to 10 Sunni Arabs suffocated in a police vehicle while in custody and said those responsible will stand trial.

The incident has angered many Iraqis at a time of rising tension between Sunnis and the Shiite-dominated government. Their deaths are among many complaints of abusive treatment by Iraq’s U.S.-trained security force.

Nine or 10 Sunni men reportedly suffocated after being held for several hours in a vehicle that lacked oxygen following an attack against an Interior Ministry patrol Sunday in west Baghdad.

Temperatures at the time soared to about 113 degrees. Maj. Gen. Hussein Kamal, the head of intelligence department at the Interior Ministry, said the men appear “to have died after the vehicle’s engine was turned off, stopping the air conditioning.�

Prime minister upbeat on security
Despite the ongoing violence, Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari said Tuesday that security in many of Iraq’s 18 provinces — notably in the Shiite south and the Kurdish-controlled north — has improved so that Iraqi forces could assume the burden of maintaining order in cities there.

“We can begin with the process of withdrawing multinational forces from these cities to outside the city as a first step that encourages setting a timetable for the withdrawal process,� al-Jaafari said at a news conference with Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick.

Iraqi troops are ready to take control of some cities as a first step toward sending home American and other foreign soldiers, al-Jaafari said. But he rejected any timetable for a pullout “at a time when we are not ready� to confront the insurgents.

He did not specify which cities could be turned over to the Iraqis. The insurgency is focused in Baghdad and the Sunni Arab heartland of central and northern Iraq. Wide areas of the Shiite south and Kurdish north are relatively peaceful.

U.S. view on troops
Zoellick said Washington was committed to supporting the Iraqi leadership and that U.S. troop strength “will be based on the conditions by which the Iraqi forces are able to meet the effort to deal with the counterinsurgency.�

The Defense Department wants to pull some troops out next year, partly because the commitment is stretching the Army and Marine Corps perilously thin as casualties mount. U.S. commanders believe the presence of a large U.S. force is generating tacit support for anti-American violence.



Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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except for the attack on the children by terrorists which, I'm sure leaves many wounded as those depicted in some of the gruesome photos I've seen posted here, the news of Iraqi forces being willing and able to facilitate the eventual departure of multinational troops from Iraq seems to be good news on the surface.

The shame of all this death and destruction is, in my opinion, misplaced when it is directed at the Coalition troops and thier command. I've seen no reports of Coalition forces targeting for death or injury any non-combatant civilians. Where as the foreign invader terrorists, fully knowing what we look like by our readily identifiable uniforms, continue to target or intentionally involve civilians and police forces.

I suppose the Coalition is an easy target for frustrated individuals as they see no way to guilt-trip ruthless foreign invader terrorists into ending thier aggression.

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Trust me you don't want to go to Pakistan or saudi


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We should have invaded Pakistan a long time ago. In Saudi, we should be running Death Squads to assasinate the mullahs that advocate killing Americans, and we should have withdrawn all political support for the oil fascists who run the place.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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We should have invaded Pakistan a long time ago. In Saudi, we should be running Death Squads to assasinate the mullahs that advocate killing Americans, and we should have withdrawn all political support for the oil fascists who run the place.
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We should have invaded Pakistan a long time ago. In Saudi, we should be running Death Squads to assasinate the mullahs that advocate killing Americans, and we should have withdrawn all political support for the oil fascists who run the place.
I hate it when you quote Mahatma Ghandi without giving him due credit!
Just when I was considering his nomination for the Nobel.

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Unfortunately, that's how anti-terror wars are fought. The Mossad, the KGB Interior Police, even South American death squads, are unfortunately the model for how to successfully fight this type of war. Instead, we get General Custer.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Unfortunately, that's how anti-terror wars are fought. The Mossad, the KGB Interior Police, even South American death squads, are unfortunately the model for how to successfully fight this type of war. Instead, we get General Custer.
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