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Jim did you just write that Iraq had WMD
...duh ya, we know he had WMD because we sold them to him, along with the logistical support to apply them to specific targets--no brainer there.
Show me the money. When did we sell him WMD?

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One of the key elements of effective propaganda is repetition.
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Yup.

Say it over and over, until it is true.
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Jim did you just write that Iraq had WMD
...duh ya, we know he had WMD because we sold them to him, along with the logistical support to apply them to specific targets--no brainer there.
You guys switch wagons faster than John Wayne in a cowboy movie.
NOW that the no he didn't have WMD's crowd is not here.

What scares me is where the heck are they?
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RE: GOP lawmaker: Saddam linked to 9/11

...key word there is "had", and apparently they were either destroyed, employed or spirited out of the country at some point. So what? I still see no justification for the unprovoked attack, invasion and occupation of the formerly sovereign nation of Iraq. We've got lots of WMDs, so do lots of other nations--BFD.
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In 1992 the Iraqi Intelligence services compiled a list of its assets. On page 14 of the document, marked "Top Secret" and dated March 28, 1992, is the name of Osama bin Laden, who is reported to have a "good relationship" with the Iraqi intelligence section in Syria. The Defense Intelligence Agency has possession of the document and has assessed that it is accurate. In 1993, Saddam Hussein and bin Laden reached an "understanding" that Islamic radicals would refrain from attacking the Iraqi regime in exchange for unspecified assistance, including weapons development.

'This understanding, which was included in the Clinton administration's indictment of bin Laden in the spring of 1998, has been corroborated by numerous Iraqis and al Qaeda terrorists now in U.S. custody. In 1994, Faruq Hijazi, then deputy director of Iraqi Intelligence, met face-to-face with bin Laden. Bin Laden requested anti-ship limpet mines and training camps in Iraq. Hijazi has detailed the meeting in a custodial interview with U.S. interrogators. In 1995, according to internal Iraqi intelligence documents first reported by the New York Times on June 25, 2004, a "former director of operations for Iraqi Intelligence Directorate 4 met with Mr. bin Laden on Feb. 19." When bin Laden left Sudan in 1996, the document states, Iraqi intelligence sough "other channels through which to handle the relationship, in light of his current location." That same year, Hussein agreed to a request from bin Laden to broadcast anti-Saudi propaganda on Iraqi state television. In 1997, al Qaeda sent an emissary with the nom de guerre Abdullah al Iraqi to Iraq for training on weapons of mass destruction. Colin Powell cited this evidence in his presentation at the UN on February 5, 2003. The Senate Intelligence Committee has concluded that Powell's presentation on Iraq and terrorism was "reasonable."

'In 1998, according to documents unearthed in Iraq's Intelligence headquarters in April 2003, al Qaeda sent a "trusted confidante" of bin Laden to Baghdad for 16 days of meetings beginning March 5. Iraqi intelligence paid for his stay in Room 414 of the Mansur al Melia hotel and expressed hope that the envoy would serve as the liaison between Iraqi intelligence and bin Laden. The DIA has assessed those documents as authentic. In 1999, a CIA Counterterrorism Center analysis reported on April 13 that four intelligence reports indicate Saddam Hussein has given bin Laden a standing offer of safe haven in Iraq. The CTC report is included in the Senate Intelligence Committee's review on prewar intelligence.

'In 2000, Saudi Arabia went on kingdom-wide alert after learning that Iraq had agreed to help al Qaeda attack U.S. and British interests on the peninsula. In 2001, satellite images show large numbers of al Qaeda terrorists displaced after the war in Afghanistan relocating to camps in northern Iraq financed, in part, by the Hussein regime. In 2002, a report from the National Security Agency in October reveals that Iraq agreed to provide safe haven, financing and weapons to al Qaeda members relocating in northern Iraq. In 2003, on February 14, the Philippine government ousted Hisham Hussein, the second secretary of the Iraqi embassy in Manila, for his involvement in al Qaeda-related terrorist activites. Andrea Domingo, head of Immigration for the Philippine government, told reporters that "studying the movements and activities" of Iraqi intelligence assets in the country, including radical Islamists, revealed an "established network" of terrorists headed by Hussein.
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Jim did you just write that Iraq had WMD
Why yes, I did. It is a well known fact he had them, and used them on his own people, and, with our side cheering in the background, on the Iranians in his decade long battle with them. That is old news. In order to make a proper judgement of what to do next one must first get a grip on the sequence of events that have already occured. I know this is often difficult for some, but, the WMD Saddam used on the Kurds and the Iranians is not the same stash of WMD the Bush League claimed he was about to use on us in 2002.

There was this Gulf War thing in the early 1990's with the elder Bush Leaguer in the White House, after which we took an inventory of a bunch of Saddam's arsenal, and then left UN inspectors there to guard while Saddam was tasked with the job of destroying the stuff. Some of the stuff, the nuke crap we gathered together, was still there being guarded right up to the eve of Shock and Awe when they were told to leave or be killed by the US. As you recall, they left, and left the stuff unguarded for several months as we apparently forgot it was there. Once we went looking it was not all there anymore. A good bit of the missing bad stuff was repurchased on the black market.

But you already knew all that, and just felt like making a meaningless remark that so inspired Bot he made a few too. Jim
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So from here do we look at the U.N. resolutions?
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By all means. When we look at UN resolutions we have to also look at how the UN percieved Saddam's responses, and how the UN percieved their weapons inspection teams were performing. At the time we decided to be the only interpreter of Saddam's actions that counted, and in doing so we declared the UN inspectors to be either incompetent or in cahoots with the Iraqis. After all is said and done, Saddam turned out to be a loudmouthed paper asshole. And we were wrong about the UN's inspectors. They were not finding WMD because there were no WMD to be found. Jim
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Do you think there is a money trial from Saddam going to the U.N.?
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Yeah, and apparently it goes to Houston, Texas too. Jim
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Yeah, and apparently it goes to Houston, Texas too. Jim
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