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Bush will try to bullshit his way out of his record of failure again tonight

The usual. A handpicked audience of soldiers that will cheer on que. Endless generalities. Bullshit and more bullshit.


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In his administration's latest effort to turn around public opinion on a war that's growing steadily more unpopular, George W. Bush travels to North Carolina's Fort Bragg today to set forth what White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan calls his "very specific" ideas about "the way forward in Iraq."

We don't mean to misunderestimate the president, but we're not exactly hanging on the edges of our seats. We've seen this movie before.

Check out this report from Fox News: "Seeking to allay fears that the Iraq situation is spiraling out of control, President Bush will tell Americans and the world Monday night that he has a blueprint to create a democratic nation out of the Arab country.":
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120722,00.html


That was May 24, 2004, and the speech Bush delivered then was widely panned for being long and rhetoric but short on specifics.

Four months and about 250 fallen U.S. soldiers later, Bush tried again. His aides told the networks in October 2004 that the president would be delivering a "major policy address" on the war on terrorism. CNN and MSNBC took the bait and covered it live, but what they got was the switch: As Slate's Fred Kaplan wrote at the time, "The president announced no new policy, uttered not one new word about terrorism, foreign policy, or anything else. . . . In short, the cable networks were lured into airing an hour-long free campaign ad for George W. Bush."
http://slate.msn.com/id/2107847/

Bush isn't running for anything this time around, but that doesn't mean that TV viewers should be expecting anything they haven't already heard tonight. Bush previewed his "new" Iraq theme with his radio address over the weekend, and it's one that sounds awfully familiar: We're making progress, but it's hard work. And oh yeah, don't forget this: The U.S. was attacked on 9/11 -- not by Saddam Hussein, but whatever.

Even Scott McClellan is having a hard time spinning this version of the story as something new. He was given three chances at yesterday's White House press briefing to say that the president would be offering new ideas on Iraq, and three times he punted.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/06/20050627-3.html

Asked whether the president will be offering up new ideas or simply summing up what he's said before, McClellan said: "This is a new speech. And the president will be talking in a very specific way about the strategy for succeeding in Iraq. And he will talk about the two-track strategy that we have in place. He touched on it a little bit last week; he's touched on it in -- many times over recent weeks. But this is going to be the president talking about it in a very specific way, about where we are for succeeding and where we are in implementing that strategy."

Asked if people were "going to hear things they haven't heard the president say before, "McClellan said: "I think many Americans have not heard much of what the President has to say tomorrow night." And then, asked whether the speech represented "a new direction . . . or not," McClellan finally kicked the questions upstairs. "You're going to hear from the president tomorrow night," he said. The reporters gave up, and then McClellan did what Bush would like to do tonight: He segued the conversation back to one about 9/11.

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Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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The Speech the President Should Give
By JOHN F. KERRY


TONIGHT President Bush will discuss the situation in Iraq. It's long past time to get it right in Iraq. The Bush administration is courting disaster with its current course - a course with no realistic strategy for reducing the risks to our soldiers and increasing the odds for success.

The reality is that the Bush administration's choices have made Iraq into what it wasn't before the war - a breeding ground for jihadists. Today there are 16,000 to 20,000 jihadists and the number is growing. The administration has put itself - and, tragically, our troops, who pay the price every day - in a box of its own making. Getting out of this box won't be easy, but we owe it to our soldiers to make our best effort.

Our mission in Iraq is harder because the administration ignored the advice of others, went in largely alone, underestimated the likelihood and power of the insurgency, sent in too few troops to secure the country, destroyed the Iraqi army through de-Baathification, failed to secure ammunition dumps, refused to recognize the urgency of training Iraqi security forces and did no postwar planning. A little humility would go a long way - coupled with a strategy to succeed.

So what should the president say tonight? The first thing he should do is tell the truth to the American people. Happy talk about the insurgency being in "the last throes" leads to frustrated expectations at home. It also encourages reluctant, sidelined nations that know better to turn their backs on their common interest in keeping Iraq from becoming a failed state.

The president must also announce immediately that the United States will not have a permanent military presence in Iraq. Erasing suspicions that the occupation is indefinite is critical to eroding support for the insurgency.

He should also say that the United States will insist that the Iraqis establish a truly inclusive political process and meet the deadlines for finishing the Constitution and holding elections in December. We're doing our part: our huge military presence stands between the Iraqi people and chaos, and our special forces protect Iraqi leaders. The Iraqis must now do theirs.

He also needs to put the training of Iraqi troops on a true six-month wartime footing and ensure that the Iraqi government has the budget needed to deploy them. The administration and the Iraqi government must stop using the requirement that troops be trained in-country as an excuse for refusing offers made by Egypt, Jordan, France and Germany to do more.

The administration must immediately draw up a detailed plan with clear milestones and deadlines for the transfer of military and police responsibilities to Iraqis after the December elections. The plan should be shared with Congress. The guideposts should take into account political and security needs and objectives and be linked to specific tasks and accomplishments. If Iraqis adopt a constitution and hold elections as planned, support for the insurgency should fall and Iraqi security forces should be able to take on more responsibility. It will also set the stage for American forces to begin to come home.

Iraq, of course, badly needs a unified national army, but until it has one - something that our generals now say could take two more years - it should make use of its tribal, religious and ethnic militias like the Kurdish pesh merga and the Shiite Badr Brigade to provide protection and help with reconstruction. Instead of single-mindedly focusing on training a national army, the administration should prod the Iraqi government to fill the current security gap by integrating these militias into a National Guard-type force that can provide security in their own areas.

The administration must work with the Iraqi government to establish a multinational force to help protect its borders. Such a force, if sanctioned by the United Nations Security Council, could attract participation by Iraq's neighbors and countries like India.

The deployment of capable security forces is critical, but it alone will not end the insurgency, as the administration would have us believe. Hamstrung by its earlier lack of planning and overly optimistic predictions for rebuilding Iraq, the administration has failed to devote equal attention to working with the Iraqi government on the economic and political fronts. Consequently, reconstruction is lagging even in the relatively secure Shiite south and Kurdish north. If Iraqis, particularly Sunnis who fear being disenfranchised, see electricity flowing, jobs being created, roads and sewers being rebuilt and a democratic government being formed, the allure of the insurgency will decrease.

Iraq's Sunni neighbors, who complain they are left out, could do more to help. Even short-term improvements, like providing electricity and supplying diesel fuel - an offer that the Saudis have made but have yet to fulfill - will go a long way. But we need to give these nations a strategic plan for regional security, acknowledging their fears of an Iran-dominated crescent and their concerns about our fitful mediation between Israel and the Palestinians in return for their help in rebuilding Iraq, protecting its borders, and bringing its Sunnis into the political process.

The next months are critical to Iraq's future and our security. If Mr. Bush fails to take these steps, we will stumble along, our troops at greater risk, casualties rising, costs rising, the patience of the American people wearing thin, and the specter of quagmire staring us in the face. Our troops deserve better: they deserve leadership equal to their sacrifice.

John F. Kerry is a Democratic senator from Massachusetts.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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"The usual. A handpicked audience of soldiers that will cheer on que. Endless generalities. Bullshit and more bullshit."

No, does he do that? what are you talking about, is he not the spear of democracy and truth? How could you?
Will mothers of killed GIs be invited? Will people from different walks of life be invited as well?
Oh I forgot, the general public meetings are usually the ones held at hotels after paying $10K to sit and eat at a fund raising table.
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I'm tempted to tune in and witness the hand-waving and BS first hand. Note to self: buy beer.

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I'm tempted to tune in and witness the hand-waving and BS first hand. Note to self: buy beer.
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Yes Amrika buy beer and solve your problems by drowning your sorrows. How many people are going to have a “Speech Party� when the pres. will be on? Make sure that there are plenty of flags to waive around and let the beer flow.
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Yes Amrika buy beer and solve your problems by drowning your sorrows. How many people are going to have a “Speech Party� when the pres. will be on? Make sure that there are plenty of flags to waive around and let the beer flow.
I'm sure I don't know. No one I know past the acquaintance level is a mindless bushie, or wants to celebrate ANYTHING about the government. The alcohol is merely to allow me to see the humour and laugh at his bumbling idiocy.

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RE: Bush will try to bullshit his way out of his record of failure again tonight

Monday, June 28, 2004
Gauging Our Success - By Bob Dole


This article originally appeared in the Washington Post on June 28, 2004. Page A21.

An air of unreality is polluting our country's political discourse on the U.S. role in Iraq. Opponents of the coalition deployment ... are raising the bar for a "successful" handover of power in Iraq to absurdly high levels.

Iraq is and will continue to be a contentious issue ... The first phase of the country's transformation was completed when the U.S.-led coalition overthrew the regime of Saddam Hussein. The second ends this week when an interim Iraqi government assumes power.

These are important milestones, but ... Iraqis ... will not suddenly find themselves denizens of a stable democracy. ... To reach the end of that road, the international coalition and Iraqis must work together to build accountable government, a viable economy, effective security structures, reliable media, the rule of law and other foundations of a civil society.

I share the administration's belief that relinquishing sovereignty over Iraq from the coalition to an Iraqi government now will facilitate and expedite this process -- but there will be setbacks, and the process will be arduous. I do not agree with those who suggest we are doomed to failure or that we have achieved little. ...

[I]n only 15 months in Iraq, the coalition has facilitated the production of more than 150 newspapers, the operation of an effective police force, the reopening of schools with propaganda-free textbooks, the rebuilding of more than 400 villages razed by Hussein, the re-creation and appreciation of a national currency, and the return from Iran and Turkey of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi refugees.

Legions of dedicated American and other soldiers, public servants, businessmen, and nongovernmental workers in Iraq have struggled to complete these tasks and will continue to fulfill their mission in the face of unimaginably difficult obstacles. Terrorists are trying to drive them out by capturing and gruesomely murdering innocent civilians. ...

Some Democrats even claim that the coalition's failure to discover weapons of mass destruction in Iraq invalidates their earlier explicit support for our intervention. In fact, their own statements at the time show that they supported the war not only because it would eradicate the weapons threat but also because it would end human rights abuses and regime-sponsored terrorism, as well as create conditions for democracy. This isn't just "selective amnesia" in an election year. It's irresponsible hindsight. ...
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Everybody here will listen with careful objectivity and an open mind. Tomorrow we'll be enlightened with fresh insights.

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I especially appreciate the article from some guy named Kerry. Didn't he lose the last election? Didn't he do WORSE in school than the guy we have now that people call a dunce?

Great idea, lets look to Kerry for ideas. That's how we can learn to lose elections to a dunce in the future.

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