tcp_ML500 - 6/28/2005 1:24 PM
Robschaef - 6/28/2005 11:52 AM
"Concentration camp guards, Einstatsgruppen, SS Action troops, all were dutiful soldiers, just like Alfa."
Truely an ASS--LE REMARK if I ever heard one. I can't believe you said that. You have crossed way over the line. You may think it is funny but you need to take that joint out of your mouth and cut the crap. I am sickined to my stomach. Have you ever been to a concentration camp?
I have visited many, and many in both branches of my ancestry never left Dachau, Aushwitz (and Birkenau).
The fact is, some performed their duties quite well, the official line was that all were following orders and bore no responsibilities, that none of the low rankers were executed but were excused for being dutiful soldiers. The murderers who ranked high never thought they were doing wrong, but conducting business as accountants, managing and disposing of what they saw as their "inventory".
As it turns out, on the eve of defeat, there were no Nazis in Germany, whereas we saw a bunch in droves at the beginning of the conflict, all exhibiting hillarious behavior before, during and after Crystal Nacht!
I'd read between the lines and say that kvining is incendiary in this case, that he pushed the argument about dutifuly serving to the extreme, but the parallel is not without merit. Where do the responsibilities lie is the question?
You do not object when Shabah compares the US to the Russian action in Afghanistan (that's, BTW, when we supported the Afghans who later fostered the Talibans and their regime, for a quick lesson, please review Rambo III), maybe you should consider what we are being compared to in that statement. Know that the russians planted small bombs in dolls and toys that were dumped so that afghan kids would play and mutilate themselves. The rationale is that in a long enduring war, when the next generations have lost their limbs, you might eventually have an easier time kicking asses. I don't like that comparison either. Civilian casualties of war in collateral damage should not be compared to these barbaric pratices, but no outrage there!