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I'm just glad that the USA is not dependent you ass clowns for it's back bone.

Our we would be given the old nob job to some guy who thinks that he will have 40 virgins waiting for him when he dies.

It take a special person to fight for his freedom and a much greater person to fight for some one else's. You people are neither.

Oh well Alfa, I thought the perception was 70 virgins but since it is only 40 I must tell them people that they have been short changed so they must give up and let the freedom seeking guests take over and allow unhindered extrapolation of minerals, issuance of mega contracts and of course turning the people into a subservient entity for when Mesopotamia will become the ultimate tourist attraction for the wealthy and hey maybe if enough freedom is gained to “liberate� the girls in a Thailand fashion, the usual perverts will be welcomed as well.
By then, I think you will also have accomplished so much in preserving your own freedoms through tight controls of who reads what and who does or say what. I mean just to make sure that only “good people� deserve to enjoy the amplified freedoms you have implemented.
I will have to agree with you that it takes a special person to fight and preserve these ideals. What do you think Alfa, maybe a good round up of the usual suspects (Arabs, Liberal, Leftists and anyone who does not drink Budweiser) is in order? That would make the task of instilling and propagating freedom so much easier. Hey look at it this way too; you won’t have to debate some thick-headed dude like me who does not understand the glorious and divine inspired message of your leader.
Sorry Shabah, don't do beer drugs or hookers.
I forgot how much we stole from Japan and Germany.
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Sorry Shabah, don't do beer drugs or hookers.
I forgot how much we stole from Japan and Germany.
I am glad that you don’t but here is another accomplishment albeit indirect but hey, it step in the right direction:


Hospitals wage a different war: Against addiction
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By Mona Mahmoud and Melanie Eversley, USA TODAY
BAGHDAD — Iraqi and American medical experts say they have noticed a rise in drug abuse and trafficking in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.
Among the reasons:
• Loose border controls between Iraq and Iran, where drugs flow in from Afghanistan, the source of poppies used to make opium and heroin, say Keith Humphreys, a Stanford University substance-abuse specialist who is helping Iraq rebuild its mental health system, and Paul Hughes, an Iraq specialist with the U.S. Institute for Peace.
• An unsettled atmosphere that nurtures organized crime, which profits from illegal drug sales, says Salih al-Hasnawi, a psychiatrist and director of the health department in Karbala, 50 miles southwest of Baghdad.
• Thousands of former criminals, released by former leader Saddam Hussein, involved in the drug trade, says Rawnaq Aqrawi, a pharmacist in Baghdad.
"The pattern is similar to what we have seen in other post-conflict situations," Hamid Ghodse, president of the International Narcotics Control Board, said during the United Nations agency's spring meeting in Vienna. "Weakening of border controls and security infrastructure make countries into convenient logistic and transit points," he said.
At Ibn Rushd Psychiatric Hospital, the only hospital in Baghdad that treats drug addiction, eight doctors work to wean patients from alcohol and drugs. They use medication, monitoring and counseling by social workers.
Patients, most ages 20 and 30, are addicted to everything from alcohol to Valium and cough syrup, says Adel Ja'afer Abdul Sahib, the hospital's deputy director.
Addiction in Baghdad is rising steadily, he says. In 2002, before the war, the hospital treated 370 patients in its outpatient facility. An additional 144 were admitted to the hospital for addiction. Last year, Sahib says, outpatients rose to 407 and hospital admissions rose to 250, he says.
Sahib says that the reasons for the rise in addiction include continuing poverty, unemployment and security problems. Before the U.S.-led invasion, "we never saw hashish or cocaine in Iraq," Sahib says. "But because of the loose security situation, we're starting to see all kinds of addictive substances. Iraq has become a market for smugglers from neighboring countries."
Al-Hasnawi says the Al-Hussein Hospital in Karbala treats most of southern Iraq's drug addicts. Many arrive on Thursdays and Fridays. That's when Iraqis — many of them former exiles who lived in countries where drugs were more readily available — make religious pilgrimages to Karbala's holy sites. The reason the number of patients who check in those days rises is that some are suffering from withdrawal because they didn't bring drugs with them, al-Hasnawi says. Others wait for treatment until they are in Karbala, where no one knows them, he says.
He says he rarely sees women at the clinic, not because there are no female addicts, but because of the added stigma they face in Iraqi society.
Last week, however, he says a 37-year-old woman hooked on Valium came to the hospital for treatment. She had traveled all day from a neighboring province because she was ashamed to go to a clinic in her hometown.
You tell me now how you are going to undo this? Oh I get it, just move the Betty Ford Center over there, oh I forgot not everyone can afford that. Oh well I guess they will have to suffer like the rest of the US addicted crowd that roams the crime ridden streets. Ah freedom a la Western Style; them ingrates have got to appreciate this liberation.

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Jim;
I could care less what you and KV think.
I figured that. Just pointing out your broad brush didn't cover all of us who oppose the purposefully persistent promulgation of misinformation by your hero the head of the Bush League. If America was actually threatened by Iraq there would be a different response from many. There was when the object of our military response was Osamma. Support only waned when it became apparent the WMD story was a Bush League lie. The whole mess is leading up to reinstating the draft as there are no longer enough volunteers for this war of the Bush League's choice.

But you knew all that, and still don't care. Jim
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Woo you stepped in on my dance and called me chump.
Yes,Yes.
You back seat drivers and arm chairs quarter backs have all the answers now.

They didn't have to draft me I volunteered
and so did everyone of them. That was there choice too and we knew what the consciences might be.
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You tell me now how you are going to undo this? Oh I get it, just move the Betty Ford Center over there, oh I forgot not everyone can afford that. Oh well I guess they will have to suffer like the rest of the US addicted crowd that roams the crime ridden streets. Ah freedom a la Western Style; them ingrates have got to appreciate this liberation.

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I think this I hate America left liberal stuff is making you very soft in mind and body.
Why are you not over there helping if you are so worried for these people/brothers of the faith?
Help them they need you now, its time.
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I'm just glad that the USA is not dependent you ass clowns for it's back bone.

Our we would be given the old nob job to some guy who thinks that he will have 40 virgins waiting for him when he dies.

It take a special person to fight for his freedom and a much greater person to fight for some one else's. You people are neither.
I'm curious -- why is it so difficult for you to grasp the difference between the fine men and women in uniform carrying arms to defend their country and some ignorant, rube, asshole in the White House who chose to risk their lives in a war of aggression against a sniveling little weakling nation that wasn't capable or interested in causing us harm? Is it just some strange 'follow orders' mentality that you've carried through your entire life?

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I'm just glad that the USA is not dependent you ass clowns for it's back bone.

Our we would be given the old nob job to some guy who thinks that he will have 40 virgins waiting for him when he dies.

It take a special person to fight for his freedom and a much greater person to fight for some one else's. You people are neither.
I'm curious -- why is it so difficult for you to grasp the difference between the fine men and women in uniform carrying arms to defend their country and some ignorant, rube, asshole in the White House who chose to risk their lives in a war of aggression against a sniveling little weakling nation that wasn't capable or interested in causing us harm? Is it just some strange 'follow orders' mentality that you've carried through your entire life?
I followed my orders and I did them to the best of my ability, just like the service members before.
That is one reason you are able to own your business now.

And my abilities are dam good
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That's a fine thing to be sure, but you're out of the service now and you're free to think for yourself. The distinction between GW and the troops that he chooses to put in harm's way for reasons he has yet to divulge to the American public is huge -- do not assume that condemnation of one is a condemnation of the other.

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