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ohh yes it should be..
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RE: It can ellicit moral conundra.

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I would never burn one. I would be willing to risk death defending any citizen's right do burn it if they so chose.

Okay all you politics junkies, aside from the obvious, what are your theories as to why pass this legislation and why now?
Imagine the following dilema.

You are a patriot and have fought many wars for this country. You hate seeing the flag being defaced for what it ultimately represents being ridiculed. You come across a protester who has a flag ready to burn, and a match. He brings the lit match on top of the flag. You have absolutely no accessory with you that could put up the fire, your access to the flag is limited to no closer than a feet or too, you can't blow the match from there, and you are so enraged that your mouth is desert dry. Should you drop your pants and piss on the match, and hence piss on the flag, in order to prevent the hideous and sacrilegeous flag burning ceremony? Should flag pissing be banned? Our liberties are already quite restricted, for instance, unless you keep your pants up and zipped, pissing in public is banned, unbelievable in the Land of the Free! That's also what the flag stands for, the interdiction to piss in public with your stuff exposed for all to see!
Poppycock! Decency laws are one thing. And there are few I imagine who would want to see a bloated centurial doughboy with his flaccid may-day pole fluttering in the wind anyhow. We all poo poo'd demon_possessed' horrendously vile avatar but I still maintain the filthy, fuck had a right to display it. Maybe ones children should not be looking at potentially offensive websites and one should be working instead of posting on forums if your boss wants you to be productive instead. Laws however are enacted for the people like Mr. Possessed who refuse or are unable to show proper decorum for the rest of humanity.

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We all poo poo'd demon_possessed' horrendously vile avatar but I still maintain the filthy, fuck had a right to display it.
Avatars are likely to come under the definition of picture posting. As such, Frank (at the very top of this forum) has published a rule and a request.

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1. Some of you may not have problems with nudity and persistently post these pictures, but I do. Partial and tasteful is acceptable. No exceptions. <b>Tasteful is defined as what majority of the users believe it to be and I will go by that.</b>
If you believe "the filthy, fuck had a right to display it", are we to assume that you deem the avatar tasteful?

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Poppycock! Decency laws are one thing. And there are few I imagine who would want to see a bloated centurial doughboy with his flaccid may-day pole fluttering in the wind anyhow.
I was not amalgamating decency laws to the debate in any serious way, I'm rarely serious, but often serious at the same time. I apologize for having fun imagining degrees of outrage, fire or the cure, urine, which is worse?

I, for one, imagine that there are more effective ways (for citizens of this country) of voicing disagreement with people and government that <b>we elect</b> than by burning the flag. Burning a flag may be a statement, it simply cannot be a constructive statement. I support the right for idiots to do so, I can easily dissociate the object from what I believe it represents, especially if the said flag bears the inscription, Made in China!

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RE: Should flag burning be banned?

My wife’s cousin is a world known performance artist. One of his "pieces" was in the English countryside. They set huge piles of old truck tires in a zigzag pattern that stretched about a mile long. They then doused these piles with kerosene and in the darkness of night he sauntered at a Teamsters pace igniting them one by one. In another "piece", he rented out a huge warehouse in Brussels, erected a 3 foot high soapbox and stood in perfect silence despite the hundreds of artsy-fartsy types attending and manipulated the cosmic sound with his mouth for all to hear. These were tastefully filmed by Polish cinematographers and I was required to watch these captured moments.....Each one lasted approximately THREE HOURS LONG!!!!
Now I say that to say this, who am I to judge what is tasteful or art for that matter......Two and a half hours of that viewing was spent looking around the room for something to jab into my spleen as a visit to a Triage room would have been more pleasurable.

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who am I to judge what is tasteful or art for that matter
Frank is giving you the opportunity to participate in the definition of what is tasteful and what is not. It could also be viewed as a responsibility as much as it is an opportunity!

In other words, the community, our BW community can use Frank's edict wisely and chose to impose standards or decency, or not. You did agree on the necessity of decency laws ealier, these which help you avoid having to witness some middle-aged small-dicked wave his dick around the sidewalk. You can, if you wish, do the same on this sidewalk.

Demon_possessed's avatar is not that unsettling, it does make a statement about what/who he is and the respect he may have for all other members of the BW community. It would be more appropriate on some site/forum dedicated to coprophagy.

At least, you have the opportunity to "legislate" in a restricted community, your own home.

For instance, I have taken my teenagers (girl and boy) to museums and art galleries displaying nudes and felt no shame. I have decided no to watch porn with them though, as much as I consider cinematography to be the seventh art.

I can also be a hypocrit every once in a while. For instance, I have the same repulsion you have imagining a dude waving his tool in public, but I would not mind watching a sexy girl urinating on a parking lot. That probably makes me an undinist, but if I ever wanted to indulge in undinism, I would not think about coming on BW.org. If I were a fan of gaping (male) ass holes, I would not come to BW.org either, although thanks to Demon_Possessed, I do not have to google "gaping+male+ass+hole+galore" should I find sudden interest in the subject!

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Burning a flag = OK
Flushing a book != OK

Both are destruction of a symbol people hold dear with the intent to incent those people and coerce them into your way of thinking. Isn't it racist to assume that those stupid Muslims think the book is magic but we Americans are smart enough to know a flag is just cloth? Perhaps it's context, it's the right of the underdog to express free speech but if you have absolute power you should be respectful to your captives. Maybe it's the same as yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, there is a decent possibility of hysterical behavior and therefore it move from free speech to crime. Just pondering...
In the case of the Koran, it is a violation of the Geneva Convention, that is international law, not domestic law, to denigrate a prisoner of war's religion or in preventing him from practicing it. It has nothing to do with flag burning.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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..... We all poo poo'd demon_possessed' horrendously vile avatar but I still maintain the filthy, fuck had a right to display it. Maybe ones children should not be looking at potentially offensive websites and one should be working instead of posting on forums if your boss wants you to be productive instead. .....
You want to look at people's assholes, there are plenty of sites on the Internet for it. He is perfectly free to display his mental illness there, and you are perfectly free to contact him for the web address if you have the need. Websites are not public property. Who ever runs them has the right to do whatever the fuck he wants. The people who use them, don't, anymore than they have a right to drive my car if I don't want them to.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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who am I to judge what is tasteful or art for that matter
Frank is giving you the opportunity to participate in the definition of what is tasteful and what is not. It could also be viewed as a responsibility as much as it is an opportunity!

In other words, the community, our BW community can use Frank's edict wisely and chose to impose standards or decency, or not. You did agree on the necessity of decency laws ealier, these which help you avoid having to witness some middle-aged small-dicked wave his dick around the sidewalk. You can, if you wish, do the same on this sidewalk.

Demon_possessed's avatar is not that unsettling, it does make a statement about what/who he is and the respect he may have for all other members of the BW community. It would be more appropriate on some site/forum dedicated to coprophagy.

At least, you have the opportunity to "legislate" in a restricted community, your own home.

For instance, I have taken my teenagers (girl and boy) to museums and art galleries displaying nudes and felt no shame. I have decided no to watch porn with them though, as much as I consider cinematography to be the seventh art.

I can also be a hypocrit every once in a while. For instance, I have the same repulsion you have imagining a dude waving his tool in public, but I would not mind watching a sexy girl urinating on a parking lot. That probably makes me an undinist, but if I ever wanted to indulge in undinism, I would not think about coming on BW.org. If I were a fan of gaping (male) ass holes, I would not come to BW.org either, although thanks to Demon_Possessed, I do not have to google "gaping+male+ass+hole+galore" should I find sudden interest in the subject!
Funny, I always thought an undinist is someone who practices not eating in restaurants. Ideally the possessed one should have queried, "Ladies and gentleman of the forum, as I am intrigued by the sight of a male anus capable of housing 16 pounds of cannon grape replete with powder charge, may I display this as my avatar?" As this is never the case, I believe in the decency laws but realize they are open to every politicians interpreting. To Senator Brownback, Mapplethorpe's work must look like a hot, gay bone fest.

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http://www.funnytitles.com
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Funny, I always thought an undinist is someone who practices not eating in restaurants.
That may be the case, I derived undinist, without first asserting its existence, from:
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A condition in which sexual thoughts are aroused by water, urine, and urination.

Origin: Mod. L. Undina, fr. L. Unda, wave
Admitedly, I would not eat at a restaurant known to have a cook prone to urinating in the "soupe du jour".

I've also been known to use eschatology and scatology interchageably, sometimes unable to discern between the two, although fully aware of the definitions of both.

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Funny, I always thought an undinist is someone who practices not eating in restaurants.
That may be the case, I derived undinist, without first asserting its existence, from:
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A condition in which sexual thoughts are aroused by water, urine, and urination.

Origin: Mod. L. Undina, fr. L. Unda, wave
Admitedly, I would not eat at a restaurant known to have a cook prone to urinating in the "soupe du jour".

I've also been known to use eschatology and scatology interchageably, sometimes unable to discern between the two, although fully aware of the definitions of both.
You sir, are the refined gentlemans Demon_Possessed.

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