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Along with irradiated foods, this has been a beneficial tool for the food industry. The end user sees a cost efficient seemingly healthier product with an extended shelf life and without sacrifice of nutrition or flavor. This is however to the pesticide industry what Gasohol was to OPEC so we'll see how it develops.

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One of the biggest problems I see is the patent laws. They are allowing these genetic modifications to be patented. Case in point - GMO corn. The pollen blows and pollinates someone elses crops. Monsanto actually tries to sue that person for growing THEIR corn, when they are the ones destroying property.

It also allows a few large companies to control all crop production. With this comes less diversity and crop failure is a much more serious problem.

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One of the biggest problems I see is the patent laws. They are allowing these genetic modifications to be patented. Case in point - GMO corn. The pollen blows and pollinates someone elses crops. Monsanto actually tries to sue that person for growing THEIR corn, when they are the ones destroying property.

It also allows a few large companies to control all crop production. With this comes less diversity and crop failure is a much more serious problem.
That's potentially a valid argument. While I can't imagine being able to sue someone for growing hybrid/GM (naturally bred/GM) corn in an adjacent field I could easily see companies producing sterile varieties forcing the farmers to buy seed yearly. Since a lot of modern hybrid varieties are also sterile (look for "heirloom" when it comes to most plants if you want to harvest seeds - wifey has a green thumb) I'd be curious to know if the typical foods that you can purchase have the same issue. I guess it all comes down to making sure that there's enough companies with the ability to do this to ensure competition.

I'm glad to see that there doesn't seem to be any real concern over the safety issues. I think Greenpeace is an abomination in this arena, it's really easy to say you should only eat organic food when you're primary concern is not getting too fat. Frankly I find their scare tactics in sub-Saharan Africa despicable and racist. They have a history of convincing the nations containing the people who need this food the most that it's toxic. It's nearly as sick as the idiots who decided to spread the rumor that the smallpox vaccine makes Muslim women sterile. We have a chance to fix a lot of problems but fear and bad "science" keep getting in the way.

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RE: GM Crops

Mother Nature's plan is always to have enough variation to survive the next crisis. Where variation is limited by any means, the result is a less robust species that is more likely to become extinct.

Human manipulation of genetic material is typically to improve yields or increase efficiency of the processing of whatever the product might be. Once the goal, whatever it might be, has been achieved, the engineering task that remains is to ensure this new genetic code is reproduced to the exclusion of all others, and the macro effects (typically economic) of this molecular manipulation are realized to the greatest possible extent.

This, as alluded to above, is what is not in compliance with Mother Nature's plan. It therefore poses the risk that once all corn, for example, being produced to feed billions of humans is of a specific genetic make-up because of some processing efficiency gain that puts all other corn species producing farms out of business and we are now susceptible to a single point failure of the food supply. Someday, somehow, a pest of some kind will evolve to take advantage of some unprotected entry point to this huge food supply.

So, while I am in favor of the science being developed to genetically engineer "better" produce and other products, I am not that impressed with man's understanding of the way Mother Nature is, and why. We know next to nothing about the "why's" and similarly next to nothing about scope of the "what's" in the universe. There are clearly some rules that have been identified in our investigation of the "what's and why's" we are aware of that have a binary effect on survival. Variation is Mother Nature's means for dealing with this. Whether or not we completely understand the method of Mother Nature's variation scheme, it seems we would be better off including variations rather than setting the stage for a blight that wipes out our food supply because its processing efficiency leads to a single point failure susceptibility.

And irradiating food to avoid the use of preservative while prolonging its suitability for human consumption is a great thing. The people opposing this need to be allowed to buy food that rots while the rest of us need to be able to buy food that doesn't. Jim
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I don't think that GM will every produce a "supercrop" which will replace all other sources. The goal of GM is to help crops adapt and be more productive. In some parts of the world it's drought tolerance. In others it's cold resistance. Some places need an engineered malaria vaccination in the food, others maybe it's vitamin deficiency. It's my (admittedly unfounded) belief that GM brings about MORE variety to the gene pool rather than less - it's not like we're killing off strains of food to produce it (the organic food market is huge in first world nations). Of course, I also tend to object to terms like "Nature's Plan" (I don't believe nature has a plan, it just is)...

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