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I wonder how we can help beggars. We have several beggars at one gas station. I just do not want them touching my car when they try to clean your windows for money. I called the biggest church in Memphis, and I got no help from them. They are just concern in spreading their religion in the third world countries. I called the city of Memphis government and got no where. It is tough to find out how to get on welfare.

I wonder how to find out about programs to help the beggars.

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tigger, for me this falls under two principles which are best stated as follows: "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime." Also, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."

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After I got out of college, I worked as a statistician/programmer/office flunky for a few years for a company called New Horizons, a company which is kind of the Microsoft of the homeless biz, at least it is in the Northeast. They run homeless shelters and soup kitchens for the homeless, detox intake centers, and provide burial services when its all over. I learned a great deal about the homeless problem. They really come in two flavors - one we called "the garbage bag people" - these are families and individuals who become suddenly homeless due to pretty much running out of options - we called them that because a car would pull up, someone would push them out the doors in front of our building, and then unload their belongings from the trunk, which always seemed to be in black garbage bags. From there, these heartbreaking families would enter "The System". Generally, the family would disintegrate, with the children sent off to foster homes, and the parents sent off to rehabs or disappearing into the streets. Finding out that homeless people had kids to came as quite a shock to me at that age. I also volunteered to work in the soup kitchen, and two years of ladling surplus government food into the bowls of these children is probably the main reason I will forever be a leftist. I think every "libertarian" asshole should do the same. I still see the looks of hopeless bewilderment, fear, tears and anger in the faces of these children in my nightmares.

If you want to find out how to help these people, who are the ones who need it the most, contact a local Lutheran Church, as they are the biggest financial backers of non-profit companies like these and usually know the best place to contribute money in your local area. It's the best place to do it because the garbage people have some hope left.

The second class of homeless are worthless bums. These are the people you see with the street signs and the squegees. "Liberal" assholes should be forced to spend two years among them. They are made up mostly of sociopaths who simply do not want to work for a living. They have two needs in life, alcohol and food. They get their food at the soup kitchen, they get their alcohol from you, if you give them money. The greatest help you can be to them is to give them nothing. If you give them money, you might be the actual source of that night's stabbing or suicide. In addition, the only cure for them is to totally hit bottom, and people giving them money just keeps them afloat enough to stay in the game. Also, they end up in "The System" when they run out of alchohol, as most of them go into life-threatening D.T.s if they dry out. Repeat - the best help for them is to give them NOTHING.






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You summarised the dilemna very well. The problem is always how to figure out with which you are dealing. Giving the "garbage bag people" a lift up may help them, while doing the same for the others only enables them.
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In the past i have given beggars food,hot beverages and clean unwanted clothing-but never money,alcohol,drugs or cigarettes.
Other folks seem to be far more charitable however.One night at Penn Station,in a severely inebriated condition i missed my train out to the Island and fell asleep on the concourse spreadeagled.When i was awoken by a pig and his nightstick i was delighted to find nearly two dollars in change tossed into the lining of my Burberry.My gold pen,watch and bracelet had been ignored.New York, New York,it's a wonderful place.........
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I wonder how we can help beggars. We have several beggars at one gas station. I just do not want them touching my car when they try to clean your windows for money. I called the biggest church in Memphis, and I got no help from them. They are just concern in spreading their religion in the third world countries. I called the city of Memphis government and got no where. It is tough to find out how to get on welfare.

I wonder how to find out about programs to help the beggars.
man this sounds soo much like in pakistan.. or saudi arabia.. i didnt knew same stuff existed in the USA.. god damn it these people imprint their fingers all on ur freshly waxed car and glass.. and i hate them.. thats why as soon as i go into gas station or resturant and see such hippie walking towards me.. i get out immedeatly and scream.. dont touch dont touch..
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^^^

Like leave the hippies alone ,man!

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I would like to add a third, and as far as Chicago is concerned, more prevalent group...The Anti-Medication Mental Hospital Refusenik's. This curious breed is easily identifiable as the only ones wearing a Fez, moon boots and full length faux mink coat in the sweltering days of August. The A.C.L.U. decided it was unconstitutional to keep these people in hospitals against their will, so they are given a handful of pills and set free to roam the area. Most are very intelligent and nice to talk to if you don’t mind the smell. They speak in a cryptic manner, "There are spiders in my eyeballs and ghosts in the cheese", for example.

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I wonder how we can help beggars. We have several beggars at one gas station. I just do not want them touching my car when they try to clean your windows for money. I called the biggest church in Memphis, and I got no help from them. They are just concern in spreading their religion in the third world countries. I called the city of Memphis government and got no where. It is tough to find out how to get on welfare.

I wonder how to find out about programs to help the beggars.
man this sounds soo much like in pakistan.. or saudi arabia.. i didnt knew same stuff existed in the USA.. god damn it these people imprint their fingers all on ur freshly waxed car and glass.. and i hate them.. thats why as soon as i go into gas station or resturant and see such hippie walking towards me.. i get out immedeatly and scream.. dont touch dont touch..
The problem is it cost me $500 for deep scratches every time they lean over to clean my windshield with a dirty towel that scratches. The zippers of their coats are scratching my fenders.

I have two purposing for helping them.

1. Stop them from damaging my car.
2. Find a way for them to help themselves.

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The times i've seen homeless people, (they aren't in my orbit of life) i've bought them back hamburgers and cokes from fast food. I won't give them money to support alcoholism or drug addiction, but I will do my small part in feeding a hungry person. 99% of these people are mentally ill, that aren't being treated. Thats's a fact. GOD! When I think about my wonderful life, I don't judge these poor people too harshly. How can you judge a person for being mentally ill? It's not a choice. The fact that they don't get treatment, or stay with it, is part of their illness. Sane people, make sane decisions. Insane people make irrational decisions.

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