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If the circumstances were reversed and it was you, I guarantee that you would be seeing jail time.
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If the circumstances were reversed and it was you, I guarantee that you would be seeing jail time.
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I could do better. I would have gotten her at on the cover of cigar monthly.

Cows? How crude. Don't be so fowl.
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RE: Its a lot to ask, but, How about a little consistency?

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RE: Its a lot to ask, but, How about a little consistency?

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You just proved Ms. Fowler's point. While the crime by the former president may not be as bad in your eyes as those committed by his more conservative counterparts, he still lied under oath. Last I heard, this was still against the law, regardless of why he lied (yes, even for a bj). If the circumstances were reversed and it was you, I guarantee that you would be seeing jail time.
If I was being questioned under oath about a real crime committed by someone, but not me, and the DA got off on a tangent and asked me about getting blow jobs from someone I was not married to, and I lied, I think no one would have noticed, even if he produced photos of me getting the bj. The question was out of order and would have been stricken from the record, along with my response, regardless of what it was.

To quote KV, who said it best,
"Give me a break with the "lying under oath" crap. The guy lied about someone sucking his cock. How fucking stupid can a situation get. The real scandal is how the right wing stuck their dicks in the taxpayer's mouth and blew a ten million dollar wad over that kind of stupid shit."

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Give me a break with the "lying under oath" crap. The guy lied about someone sucking his cock. How fucking stupid can a situation get. The real scandal is how the right wing stuck their dicks in the taxpayer's mouth and blew a ten million dollar wad over that kind of stupid shit.
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If I was being questioned under oath about a real crime committed by someone, but not me, and the DA got off on a tangent and asked me about getting blow jobs from someone I was not married to, and I lied, I think no one would have noticed, even if he produced photos of me getting the bj. The question was out of order and would have been stricken from the record, along with my response, regardless of what it was.

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Again, thank you both for also proving Ms. Fowler's point. The crux isn't how trivial you consider the crime to be; it is consistency.

If 'Dubbya' had been the recipient of Monica's talents, you'd be railing against his not doing his job during troubled times and using the power of his office to exert undue influence over an intern. In short, you folks would find a reason to complain. And, you'd be correct in doing so.

In the eyes of the law, again, regardless of reason, lying under oath is a "real" crime. Whether you like it or not. And if we did it w/o the office of the presidency to protect us, we'd be sent to jail.

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RE: Its a lot to ask, but, How about a little consistency?

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Again, thank you both for also proving Ms. Fowler's point. The crux isn't how trivial you consider the crime to be; it is consistency.

If 'Dubbya' had been the recipient of Monica's talents, you'd be railing against his not doing his job during troubled times and using the power of his office to exert undue influence over an intern. In short, you folks would find a reason to complain. And, you'd be correct in doing so.
If you believe that a known philanderer and liar should be held to the same moral scrutiny as a self-professed born-again member of the Christian moral majority, I couldn't disagree more. The only consistency issue that matters to me is these folks behave in a manner consistent with their behavior before they were elected. In that context, Clinton did exactly that, and GW has not, since I don't recall seeing "mass-murderer" on GW's resume during the initial campaign.

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Again, thank you both for also proving Ms. Fowler's point. The crux isn't how trivial you consider the crime to be; it is consistency.
Clinton's case was clearly entrapment. Getting a blow job is not illegal, and neither is getting a blow job from someone other than your wife. It is, depending on the individual, embarassing, humiliating or worse, to be confronted about the subject in a public forum. The fact that Clinton got a blow job from Monica, or even many blow jobs from Monika, was never a valid avenue to pursue in the investigation of the Clinton's in their Whitewater land deal.

Directing a cover-up of a burglary is criminal. You can hide behind your white veil of purity, and pretend there is no difference. That does not make your delusional pretense true.

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If 'Dubbya' had been the recipient of Monica's talents, you'd be railing against his not doing his job during troubled times and using the power of his office to exert undue influence over an intern. In short, you folks would find a reason to complain. And, you'd be correct in doing so.
You are imagining things here. If Dubbya got a blow job from anyone in the White House or anywhere on earth, I could give a hoot. If it made him a little more rational and kept us out of his typical black and white, good guy vs. bad guy view of the world where we have to us United States resources like our youth to act out his fantasies, I would even make a direct contribution for paying for it.

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In the eyes of the law, again, regardless of reason, lying under oath is a "real" crime. Whether you like it or not. And if we did it w/o the office of the presidency to protect us, we'd be sent to jail.
That is fantasy. The question would have been objected to by your attorney, and the judge would have sustained the objection. You and I are not the subjects of "Special Prosecutors" investigations and since the Republicans took over the White House, neither is the President. Get over it. All people who are guilty and claim to be innocent do not get an extra year tacked on for lying in court. Jim
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RE: Its a lot to ask, but, How about a little consistency?

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Give me a break with the "lying under oath" crap. The guy lied about someone sucking his cock. How fucking stupid can a situation get. The real scandal is how the right wing stuck their dicks in the taxpayer's mouth and blew a ten million dollar wad over that kind of stupid shit.
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If I was being questioned under oath about a real crime committed by someone, but not me, and the DA got off on a tangent and asked me about getting blow jobs from someone I was not married to, and I lied, I think no one would have noticed, even if he produced photos of me getting the bj. The question was out of order and would have been stricken from the record, along with my response, regardless of what it was.

Jim
Again, thank you both for also proving Ms. Fowler's point. The crux isn't how trivial you consider the crime to be; it is consistency.

If 'Dubbya' had been the recipient of Monica's talents, you'd be railing against his not doing his job during troubled times and using the power of his office to exert undue influence over an intern. In short, you folks would find a reason to complain. And, you'd be correct in doing so.

In the eyes of the law, again, regardless of reason, lying under oath is a "real" crime. Whether you like it or not. And if we did it w/o the office of the presidency to protect us, we'd be sent to jail.
Actually, if Dubya was the recipient of Monica's talent, I'd feel the same way about it - I could give a fucking shit. As a matter a fact, I could give a shit if you get a blow job and lie about it. Surprisingly, most people, with the except of Republican tight asses, could give a shit. That, my friend, is the great lesson of Whitewater.

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RE: Its a lot to ask, but, How about a little consistency?

I still say, your perception of truth is colored in a major way by the political fallout. To you there is no such thing as truth or false; its all in how it plays politically.
Jim, How in the world do you conclude that Clinton's BJ from Monica was entrapment? Did Ken Starr hire Monica to seduce Bill?, or was it that evil genius Karl Rove who unzipped Bill's pants and forced him to recieve oral sex from Monica. Entrapment?! What are you smoking? How is anything that resulted from that activity anyone except Bill's fault? The problem is that Bill has rarely taken responsibility for anything bad that happened to him--and you ( his supporters) were his enablers.
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I still say, your perception of truth is colored in a major way by the political fallout. To you there is no such thing as truth or false; its all in how it plays politically.
Jim, How in the world do you conclude that Clinton's BJ from Monica was entrapment? Did Ken Starr hire Monica to seduce Bill?, or was it that evil genius Karl Rove who unzipped Bill's pants and forced him to recieve oral sex from Monica. Entrapment?! What are you smoking? How is anything that resulted from that activity anyone except Bill's fault? The problem is that Bill has rarely taken responsibility for anything bad that happened to him--and you ( his supporters) were his enablers.
The blow job was not entrapment, the calling of the President to the Grand Jury in an investigation of the Whitewater land deal and asking him if he had sex with Monica Lewinski was entrapment. The question had nothing to do with anything remotely associated with Whitewater, and the question had nothing to do with a crime that might or might not have been committed. Nothing useful to the investigation of the alleged criminal activity associated with Whitewater could possibly have come from the questioning of the President along this line. The evidence that the questioning was irrelevant to the investigation and all of its veins comes from the fact that NO CRIMINAL CHARGES ASSOCIATED WITH THE ACTUAL ACT OF GETTING A BLOW JOB WERE LEVIED. That makes the line of questioning out of order and the act of putting the President in a position where he was tempted, only by the circumstances created by the Special Prosecutor, to commit the crime of lying to the Grand Jury. Go check out what entrapment is. Kenneth Starr was guilty. Jim
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