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High Court to examine medicinal marijuana

Ruling would determine whether federal drug ban trumps state laws on use

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Originally published May 29, 2005

DENVER - Robert Melamede's guidelines for better living go something like this: Eat right, exercise and smoke a little marijuana.

The biology department chairman at the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs is among the state's 625 registered legal users of marijuana for medical reasons. He says it eases the pain of his spinal arthritis.

Melamede can't imagine living without it. However, his fate and that of legal users in 10 other states could be affected by a U.S. Supreme Court case in California that will determine whether a federal ban on the drug trumps state laws allowing medical marijuana.

The decision - expected in the next month - may redefine the limits of congressional power under the commerce clause of the Constitution.

Either way, the decision is expected to revive the debate about the medicinal legitimacy of marijuana use and the social implications of legalizing what law enforcement officials call a "gateway" drug, which may lead to harder drugs.

In Colorado, federal law enforcement authorities said the decision would determine whether they could prosecute medical marijuana producers.

Bill Weinman, a federal Drug Enforcement Administration supervisor based in Denver, called medical marijuana a ploy by those who want to legalize the drug. He said his agency does not target sick and dying people but carefully evaluates whether growers are trafficking in the drug.

"This whole medical marijuana thing is a scam," Weinman said. "You don't smoke your medicine."

The question before the court is whether the Controlled Substances Act, a comprehensive 1970 federal law regulating a broad range of drugs including marijuana, exceeds Congress' power to regulate commerce.

Government lawyers argue that homegrown medical marijuana would affect a $10.5 billion illicit market.

Erik Neusch, a lawyer who wrote a law journal article on the constitutional issues raised by medical marijuana laws, said that during the past decade, the Supreme Court has rendered several decisions that have deferred to states' rights.

"What will be interesting is to see whether the Supreme Court continues on this path of broadening states' rights," he said.

"If they were internally consistent, they would strike down the federal government's attempts to prosecute medical marijuana use in the states," Neusch said. "But I don't think that's going to happen."

If the decision favors states' rights, more states probably will pass measures allowing medical marijuana use, said K.K. DuVivier, an associate law professor at the University of Denver.

"There has been [a movement] since the 1980s," she said. "People are trying to get around" federal law.

However, she predicted that if the decision were to favor federal enforcement of a marijuana ban, enforcement would vary locally.

"If local agencies say they're not going to put any funding into it and they make it a lower priority, the federal government will come in occasionally to make raids, but they won't have the presence to really enforce it," DuVivier said.

In 2000, Colorado voters overwhelmingly approved Amendment 20, legalizing the medicinal use of marijuana for those who get a doctor's approval and register with the state. In addition to Colorado, states with some form of legalized marijuana use include Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Nevada, Oregon, Vermont and Washington.

Melamede suffers from ankylosing spondylitis, a painful, progressive, rheumatic disease that mainly affects the spine but can also affect other joints, tendons and ligaments.

Melamede is hopeful that a favorable decision by the Supreme Court would encourage doctors to be more liberal about prescribing marijuana.

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I have to admit I'm a closet states-rights kind of guy, although I do not fly a flag on my vehicle. The whole marijuana thing is so hypocritical it makes me sick. "You don't smoke your medecine" just reeks of hypocrisy, as it's not available any other way. Eating it is too slow, and the federal government makes any other form either ineffective or illegal. Ugh, time for a hit, this makes me naseous. [:p]

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The whole "gateway" drug thing is such bullshit. Alcohol and tobacco are the "gateway" drugs.

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alcohol is more addictive and harmful than marijuana!!
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I used to be a stanch anti-drug advocate but then I took a step back and thought about it. The alcohol parallel may be trite but it actually does work fairly well. I don’t need the government to babysit me and tell me what I can and can’t do, if I want to hit myself over the head with a hammer it’s my prerogative.

*** several hours later with a splitting headache ***

As long as proper responsibility is given out and the rest of the population is protected what do I care if the neighbor is a stoner? What are the reasons for outlawing drugs?

I don’t want my kids to get drugs. Well, it’s probably easier for them to get drugs than alcohol because dealers don’t card. I hate to tell you this, but chances are if your kids want to do drugs they already are doing them.

It decays the moral fabric. So does the Fox network but people still watch it…

I don’t want someone operating on me/flying/driving/operating heavy equipment while they’re high. We’ve already got laws about that for alcohol, why is one hallucinogen different from another? As long as we can get a breathalyzer-style test kit I don’t see an issue with it.

Pot is a gateway drug. First of all tobacco and alcohol are by far the most common first drug a person takes; they are the real gateway drugs. Second, what if that’s true? What if a hit of Mary Jane leads to scoring some E? Shouldn’t other drugs be governed by the same rules?

There are also a lot of benefits towards legalizing drugs. First of all you’ve got the whole sin tax thing going for you. Legitimizing a multi-billion dollar industry generates a lot of income tax, you tack on a 20-30% sin tax on top of that and we’re sitting pretty.

We stop financing all the nasty things that tend to get financed with drug money. I’m sure with a little American ingenuity we can manage to get a lot of home-grown crops.

We can control the harder drugs much better. No more cocaine cut with drain cleaner, now it’s all government regulated and properly labeled. I’d argue that this would cut down on overdoses and drug related deaths.

We get real studies out that will show that smoking marijuana is actually just about as bad for you as smoking unfiltered cigarettes from a lung cancer standpoint. Since it’s particulate matter that tends to be carcinogenic (sawdust causes cancer too), inhaling ANY sort of smoke is bad for you. Granted you don’t have all of the cardiovascular stimulant effects of nicotine, but either way you get widespread data that can be properly published. You also can get more widespread data on the supposed medicinal value of marijuana. From what I've seen it's great for hospice care but doesn't do much for the slightly ill.

In short, the “War on Drugs� is a huge investment and is simply not working. Legalizing drugs won’t get me to start on them and I think that the vast majority who are “curious� have already tried drugs.

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Remember all you poltical rocket scientests. One of the basic tenents of being a Republican is the strong belief of states rights over federal rights. I sure as hell don't want some asshole in Washington deciding what our priorities are here in Arizona. Do you knuckle head Democrats know that your tenents are for a stronger federal government ( WASHINGTON) and WEAKER states rights? You are also for higher taxes,and more money spent on welfare and government assistance? I asked a person the other day that said they were a Democrat, what the basic differences were. All they gave me back was a stupid look on their face. [:o)][:o)][:o)]

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Remember all you poltical rocket scientests. One of the basic tenents of being a Republican is the strong belief of states rights over federal rights. I sure as hell don't want some asshole in Washington deciding what our priorities are here in Arizona. Do you knuckle head Democrats know that your tenents are for a stronger federal government ( WASHINGTON) and WEAKER states rights? You are also for higher taxes,and more money spent on welfare and government assistance? I asked a person the other day that said they were a Democrat, what the basic differences were. All they gave me back was a stupid look on their face. [:o)][:o)][:o)]
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those studies have been done in GB and NL and what you say is basically true.. crime drops like a concrete block and it's actually harder for non-adults to acquire the drugs besides all the tax and control benefits.. a real chronic (lol) user can get the pure substance with no drano and the like cut into it... saving the society countless future problems...




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The whole damned criminal justice drug industry is a freaking abridgement of liberty. basically you take a bunch of kids who have no hope (for whatever reasonm self-inflicted, whatever) who find solace in euphoric drugs and criminalize their buzz. Like they have something to lose. So they got nothing to lose and there's a nice little high-risk profit margin in selling dope to their peers and they get money and status in their community. The smart ones (and tehre are LOTS of smart people in the dope trade, really) perform teh illegal equivalent of incorporation and competition for market share in order to increase profits of their company. Since it's all criminal, it is all off the books.

Forget the policing side for a second and just look at what incarceration costs. Incarcerate entrpreneurs for dealing weed: That's justice? Give me an f-ing break. They get out with a felony conviction and can look forward to a life of either a) dishwashing or b) return to dealing and high-risk, high reward.

That is how we create and nurture a smart, energetic and rich criminal underclass.

Brilliant. Just f-ing brilliant.

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The whole "gateway" drug thing is such bullshit. Alcohol and tobacco are the "gateway" drugs.
Actually, marijuana is a gateway drug, but only because it has been legislated as such. As long as kids buy it from the same guys who sell speedballs, crack and ecstasy, it will remain a gateway drug. Isn't it amazing how legislators create a situation, then ascribe it to some natural order and hold themselves blameless? Idiots.

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