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Tell me, were the "unrealistic future revenues" the tax cuts Bush pushed thru?
Hardly...and you'd know this if you weren't being deliberately obtuse.

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The income of average Americans has been FALLING for the first time in US history since the Great Depression, since Bush took office.
Likely the logical result of socialist efforts to buy votes by paying those who do nothing with money confiscated from those who earn it. And, I'd like to see your source for this alleged shrinkage of income.

As for me, my income has more than doubled in the last six years.

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Wow. Skeezix is, well, uh, ah hum... Stupid.[:D]
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Wow. Skeezix is, well, uh, ah hum... Stupid.[:D]
Wow. What a well-thought out rebuttal. No wonder dumbocrats think they're just smarter than the people they seek to rule.

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Since you claim to be a fountain of factual data, how about defending your opinion on this subject with some actual factual data? What was the Government's total income the last three years of Clinton's administration, and what was the Government's total expenditures?

Also, it would be helpful to note whether the budget figures today have reversed the "lumping" of Social Security and other expenditures you describe, or whether the new accounting introduced, apparently during Clinton's 8 years (nice to know when, if that fact is available), has been adopted by the present administration.

I believe when the tax cuts were originally proposed by the Bush League, it was noted by many Democrats that the surplus that existed at the time (it was not advertised as a surplus that would materialize in ten years, it was described as an existing surplus, so your facts on the accounting math would be very helpful) was not robust, and was susceptible to being eroded by a downturn of the economy. As I recall the pandering Bush League elected to send us all money back.
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"Much talk has occurred concerning a supposed budget surplus, the first of its kind since the late 1960's, and of course, the liberals on Capitol Hill have already devised a way to spend it. However, in truth there is really no surplus at all, and even if there were, wasting such money on social spending would be unacceptable. The budget surplus exists only on paper because of the fairly recently adopted unified budget, which lumps the social security trust fund in with the operational budget of the federal government. Social Security took in more money than it paid out this year; however, that money is separate from the overnment's operational budget because every cent is earmarked to be paid out to retirees. Excluding Social Security, which is a separate trust, the government actually disbursed $60 billion more than it took in. Nonetheless, Clinton wants to spend our mythical budget surplus like a kid in a candy store who just got his allowance."

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"Both the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) estimate the surplus for 1999 at about $99 billion, $142 billion by the end of 2000, and up to $1 trillion over the next 15 years."

oops...looks like you caught me there. It wasn't a ten-year projection...if was fifteen.
Using your own links, and giving away the FY1998 year as a merely balanced budget instead of a year with a federal budget surplus, we have two consecutive federal fiscal years, FY1999 and FY2000 with actual, factual surplus figures. The government actually, factually ran in the BLACK those three years in a row, and in the previous years, if you bother to look, the federal deficit spending was continuously reduced. Your Nazi Party link on Clinton's intentions with the surplus turned out to be mere Nazi Propaganda. The Democrats in the Clinton Administration were looking pay off some of the federal debt with those surplus dollars.

So, your superficial exercise to gather data, or facts, to support your position turned out to support mine.

I love the way the data is presented though, like it says something it doesn't say, just like Tom Delay would do it. Now, if you have the time to research the Bush League federal budget performance, you will see lots of tax reductions to the rich, designed to eat away at the projected $1 Trillion surplus to be reeled in by the feds over the next 15 years and pork barrel spending as well as a several hundred billion dollar a year expenditure on the Bush League's Iraq "Revenge-for-Attacking-my-Daddy" or "Freedom for all Nations, whether they want it or not" or "whatever the latest excuse for criminally bad judgement is called to make it seem like a good thing" campaign. That $1,000,0000,0000 surplus would be the sum of several tens and hundreds of billion dollars per year of running a surplus. The Bush Leaguers have run that into the ground so hard it is now several trillion dollars of additional federal debt for every two years of the Bush Leaguers residing in the White House.



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As to whether or not the government continues to use funny accounting (SS lumped with General Fund), you'll have to do your own homework.
You know the answer. The Bush Leaguers want to change SS so they can project earnings to add to the plus numbers. No one ever went back, surprise, surprise.

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Another weakly defended opinion. I would prefer a stock market that had a net gain in a six year period. And I don't care if the gain is due to tech stocks or blue chips, although I would prefer to see an America with an economy that includes manufacturing jobs, and Americans owning businesses. There is something to be said for learning to be happy with less. It is a skill you seem to have a handle on, and one which we will all have to learn as the present administration continues to reward those who export jobs with tax cuts.
Six years? Historically, the stock market always shows a profit in any eleven year period. I'd like to see six years, too...but it would require growth nearly double that of historic norms.
That is some definition you have for profit there, my boy. I hope you are not looking to make money selling stocks. You could go a long way before your next hamburger. Try again.

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You have a point here. If you are lucky enough to be healthy then you likely have not had to deal with extracting competent and thorough service from the US system that most Americans with insurance deal with. If you have had a need you would not be so glib.
While my health problems are none of your business, I am well-acquainted with the system. Is your beef, perhaps, just a whine that you have to pay for it?
I never suggested I was even vaguely interested in your personal heath problems. Another Tom Delay tactic - change the point to one of self righteous indignation over your privacy.

I am very lucky, sofar, to have not had any serious illnesses, and therefore have been a very uncomplicated or expensive load on my insurance. My mother was not so lucky. Plenty of health insurance, very comfortable financially, but a very unpleasant and unsuccessful encounter with the "system" when it was needed. Enjoy your good health and hope it never leaves you.

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As noted elsewhere on the board, you seem to have long arms and a persistent twitch that make patting yourself on the back easier than for most of us. I repeat, lots of opinions, very light on facts, especially on Slick Willie. Jim
Another Ad Homenim. No surprise there.
Poor Skeezix. You sound like Gollum. Whining to yourself in public because your opinion of your intellect and capabilities is not shared throughout cyberspace. You need to support one of your points, or find new ones that are more readily supported, and stop trying to elicit sympathy for being caught coming up short. Jim
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Wow. Skeezix is, well, uh, ah hum... Stupid.[:D]
Wow. What a well-thought out rebuttal. No wonder dumbocrats think they're just smarter than the people they seek to rule.
Still stupid... [:X]
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I never said the irs wasn't raking it in hand-over-fist...untill the tech bubble burst. That mythical 'Trillion dollar surplus' was based on a fifteen-year projection of continued growth + no increase in government spending. Then the tech sector collasped.

As for tax reduction for the rich...well, who do you give a tax cut to except to the people who paid the tax in the first place? You may hate the rich...but when's the last time a poor person gave you a job?

Tax cuts in general: They work to stimulate the economy every time they're tried. Cutting taxes worked when Kennedy did it. Tax cuts worked so well for Regan that it took the two largest tax increases in history to kill the resulting boom.

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Still stupid... [:X]
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Still stupid... [:X]
You don't need to tell everyone. They already know you're stupid.
You blunt your sword hacking at turnips, holding firmly to the small patch of ground that they cannot leave. Use a hammer. It has the same effect and requires no skill or maintenance.
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Still stupid... [:X]
You don't need to tell everyone. They already know you're stupid.
You blunt your sword hacking at turnips, holding firmly to the small patch of ground that they cannot leave. Use a hammer. It has the same effect and requires no skill or maintenance.
Wonderful metaphor and an astute jibe. Allow a far less cultured member have a crack at it.
Skeezix, I came up with a great idea. It involves you and a great deal of shutting the fuck up.

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Wonderful metaphor and an astute jibe. Allow a far less cultured member have a crack at it.
Skeezix, I came up with a great idea. It involves you and a great deal of shutting the fuck up.
Mediocre, at best. I would have handled it this way:


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