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Voters dissatisfied with Bush, Congress
NBC/WSJ poll reveals 'angry electorate'

By Mark Murray
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NBC News


Updated: 10:39 a.m. ET May 19, 2005WASHINGTON - As the Senate marches closer toward a nuclear showdown over President Bush’s judicial nominees, the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that the American public is dissatisfied — with Congress and its priorities, with Bush’s plan to overhaul Social Security and with the nation’s economy and general direction. Moreover, a majority believes that the Senate should make its own decision about the president’s judicial nominees, rather than just generally confirming them.

And while all of this might suggest bad news for Republicans, since the political party in charge often gets blamed when things aren’t going well, the survey also indicates that the public isn’t quite embracing the Democrats either. “It is just a sense of unhappiness with where we’re at,� said Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted this survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff.

Perhaps the most revealing finding in the poll is the attitude toward Congress. Just 33 percent of the respondents approve of Congress’ job. That’s down 6 points since a poll in April and 8 points since January.

“The public is exceptionally displeased with the Congress,� Hart said. “It is [its] lowest set of numbers since May of 1994,� the year when congressional Republicans defeated their Democratic counterparts in the midterm elections to take control of both the House and Senate. According to this poll, by 47 percent to 40 percent the public says it would prefer Democrats controlling Congress after the 2006 elections.

Congress has wrong priorities
McInturff, the GOP pollster, points out that Americans are upset with Congress focusing on the battle over judges, Social Security, trying to restore Terri Schiavo’s feeding tube and the ethical troubles surrounding their members, including Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas, instead of focusing on the economy, gas prices and health care.

“There are some core day-to-day issues that they don’t see being addressed,� he said. “The people want us to head in a different direction and hear different things.�

Still, McInturff argues, it’s much too early to predict that the Democrats will overtake the Republicans in the 2006 elections. “There is a difference between dissatisfaction and being a viable [replacement]. And we have a long way to go to 2006,� he said.

The survey, which polled 1,005 adults from May 12-16 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points, also has some troubling findings for President Bush. Just 20 percent of those polled say the economy has gotten better over the past 12 months, an 11- point decline since January; 51 percent believe that removing Saddam Hussein from power was not worth the cost and casualties of that war; and only 36 percent support Bush’s plan to allow workers to invest their Social Security contributions in the stock market.

Most don't support blanket approval for judges
That Social Security figure, which is virtually unchanged from April, is significant because it suggests that Bush hasn’t moved the country any closer to supporting private accounts despite his months-long campaign for them.

Regarding the contentious debate over Bush’s judicial nominees, just 34 percent say the Senate should generally confirm the president’s judicial picks as long as they are honest and competent, while 56 percent argue that the Senate should make its own decision about the fitness of each nominee to serve.

Overall, according to the NBC/Journal poll, 52 percent believe the nation is headed in the wrong direction, while 35 percent think it’s on the right track.

All of these findings, Hart says, are signs of an angry electorate. “If you are a member of Congress and you got the poll back, you better be looking over your shoulder,� he said. “The masses are not happy.�

© 2005 MSNBC Interactive

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Kirk, I would be inclined to believe you to some degree, but everytime I turn on the TV and tune to a news broadcast I never hear anything bad about the economy or state of the nation. So you must be one little, disgruntled guy against the propaganda media machine. Who do you think will win this one regarding the masses? How do you suggest teaching the public not to take the news strictly on face value?
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KV, Shane has a point. I hope and plead with people to just look at the record and ask why anyone thinks this is best America can be. Not much reaction.

Karl Rove, on the other hand, seems to know how to get people bothered about things that are actually meaningless to them, like abortions and gay marriage. Anyone of voting age is not really personally threatened by either "issue" but both were central to the distinctions between the candidates last time around, while their intentions for the country as a whole, or in the longer term, never came up.

We are fattened up with junk food and can't even tear ourselves away from the TV drivel long enough to wonder why it is ok to export jobs for a quick buck for the rich guys running large corporations. We get caught up in arguments about redefining science to be something that can be questioned by non-scientists running the Christian right wing movement. Teaching kids trash so they can't compete for jobs in the world-wide market place in the name of family values. We need to look a little farther ahead than the back of the guy's head in front of us so we get a clue as to where we are going. Jim

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Ultimately the GOP is built on a house of cards. The problem is, some of those cards are toppling no matter what Rove can do. Bubba may get all mad about queers when he has a nice job and an ever rising standard of living, but we are now seeing the opposite happen to that particular class - incomes are currently falling, and if you couple that with a stated desire to jack with SSI, all of a sudden, Six Pack Joe, all of a sudden starts to pay attention, and realize all these meaningless issues pale compared the the ten gallons of gas that just cost him 25 bucks. The economic insecurity may now start to outweigh the boogie man crap enough for Bubba to realize he has just spent the last five years making the rich fabulously rich, while he gets stuck with the tab. The American electorate never moves slowly. Elections tend to be routine, and then when conditions are right, as they were for the Republicans in 1994, the electorate erupts. The GOP, which has turned DC into some kind of televised circus, is creating those conditions. Unless something changes, if they keep going the way they are, which is all down hill, they are screwed.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Let me get this straight...
I am to understand that KV, (no friend os things republican, he), is offering unsolicitated advice to help the republicans change direction and thus continue their reign of power.
Thanks, KV, I am sure Rove and his gang will get right on that. While they're at it, perhaps they should follow the rest of the Moveon.org agenda.
Get the majority of the vote--then run thing as you wish.
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I desperately hope the Republicans keep doing every thing exactly as they are doing.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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Anything to speed the meltdown is fine with me. Perhaps some DNC kindling?

Throw a couple of fasces on the fire.
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In 2000, the Republicans said that only legal votes should count: They put legalism ahead of popular voting.

In 2000, the Democrats said that full participation should be paramount: let every vote be counted.

In the senate, the two parties have switched sides.

Such integrity. Such lofty idealism. The Demopublicans are the most expensive politicians we can buy.
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The fact that do it with such straight faces, and are so full of righteous indignation is amazing. I would find it amusing, except it is too serious for amusement. ( Applies to dems and repubs, equally)
Can anyone name a principled politician--one who has held consistent views and votes for their entire career? ( maybe we can allow a single change in view point like if a person was convinced that their previous position was wrong. The problem is that never even admit to having held a different position.
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Poll: Bush approval mark nears low
Congress receives poor marks too in latest Gallup poll
Monday, May 23, 2005 Posted: 11:29 PM EDT (0329 GMT)



President Bush's approval rating is down 4 percentage points since early May, according to a recent poll.


(CNN) -- President Bush's job approval rating dropped to near its lowest point and Congress received poor marks as well in a national poll released Monday.

Forty-six percent of 1,006 adults polled over the weekend said they approved of the overall job Bush is doing, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.

Over the past year, Bush's rating has hovered near 50 percent, with a low of 45 percent in March and a high of 57 percent just after his second inauguration and the State of the Union in February.

The 46 percent figure is down about 4 percentage points since a poll taken at the beginning of May.

The approval rating poll question, asked by telephone on May 20-May 22, had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Pollsters split some questions on specific issues between two "half groups" of respondents. Those questions had a margin of error of plus or minus 5 percentage points.

On domestic issues, the president's approval ratings are at an all-time low -- 40 percent of respondents approve of his work on the economy and 33 percent approve of his plans for Social Security changes.

Bush fared best among respondents when they were asked if they approved or disapproved how how he was handling terrorism.

But while 55 percent of the people taking part in the poll approved, that figure was down 2 percentage points from a poll taken in April.

On the Iraq war, the president's approval mark remained low -- just 40 percent of those agreed with the way he is handling the situation.

Most of those surveyed (52 percent) said they think Bush has "the personality and leadership qualities a president should have."

But many said they differ on the issues that matter most to them -- 57 percent disagreed with the president, while 40 percent said they agreed.

Congressional ratings
Both Democrats and Republicans in the Senate fared badly on the judicial nominees issue.

When asked to choose, 58 percent of respondents in the split part of the poll said Republican leaders were behaving like "spoiled children" on the matter while 31 percent picked "responsible adults."

Democratic leaders were viewed almost in the same light, with 54 percent of respondents disapproving and 36 percent approving.

On a separate question asked of half the respondents, 48 percent said they favored the Democrats in the dispute and 40 percent favored the GOP.

Several questions involving Congress were put to all respondents. Those questions had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

On the question of their interest in the filibuster issue, 37 percent said they had not been following it at all and 20 percent picked "not too closely."

All respondents were also asked whether they would change the filibuster and/or preserve it.

Thirty-five percent sided with changing Senate rules, 19 percent agreed on keeping the filibuster, and 34 percent wanted filibuster rules to remain intact but for nominees to receive a full Senate vote.

On the federal judiciary itself, 29 percent of all respondents said judges were too liberal, 19 percent said they were too conservative and 44 percent said they were "about right."

The poll also indicated Americans might want a change in Congress, with 47 percent of all respondents saying the country would be better off if Democrats were in control, compared with 36 percent who favored Republicans. Nine percent picked "neither."

Republicans control the Senate with 55 seats, Democrats have 44 seats and one senator lists himself as independent.

In the 435-member House of Representatives, Republicans hold 231 seats to the Democrats' 202. One member is an independent and there is one vacancy at the moment.


Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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