Robschaef - 5/20/2005 12:05 AM
I appreciate azimuth's comments. I was merely trying to show another point of view, without attacking others and with respect. It is sad that there is a need to put down and attack Christians. You know, just because a few religions right wing political figures worry you, there is no need to attack others. Especially fellow Benz owners, really. I believe that it should be taught in schools to children that Christianity had a lot to do with this country being formed. To try and erase any evidence of any influence is pretty crazy. What if someone proposed that children are no longer taught about slavery? Would you be Ok with that? I also think that if it worries you that our president maybe praying before he makes bid decisions. You might as well get used to it. It has been going on for hundreds of years and will probably continue. There are always to sides of each debate and religion and politics are the two most explosive issues. Maybe we could just check the vulgarity and desiccating pictures, Kvining. Can you keep your emotions in check?
Not to step up to defend KV, he is more than capable of taking that on himself.
But, much like the "insurgents" in Iraq, who are able to carry out their terrorist actions unchecked by their neighbors, I find the lack of outrage by the "Christians" at the actions of the "few religious right wing political figures" a tacit approval of their actions. I have no axe to grind on Christians. I am Catholic. I just don't advocate the Pope directing political events in the United States, and when the local mass gets politicized I feel free to let the Monsignor know I will be witholding my weekly donations. I go to church for other than political massaging and manipulation. When that is what I find there, I don't support it.
I do not see pushing back against our children being intellectually disadvantaged as a necessarily anti-Christian motivated response. Unless interfering with the intellectual development of American kids is a Christian objective. The same with our President praying. Great, let him do it. I pray. In private. Not as a show for sucking up to people for political gain.
A number of religions had a hand in shaping this nation in its first couple of centuries. None of them were granted any special political role for their contribution. It is expected that this tradition of separation of church and state will continue as the Fathers of this nation intended, and that organized religions in America will honor the boundaries between private faith and public politics. Religious beliefs are too intimately tied to emotions to allow religion to infiltrate American politics. It is a short step, once unelected officials of "churches" begin to wield political power to vindictive persecution of those with different faiths.
So, I don't think the rise you get out of many of us who find the right wing Christian political power offensive should be confused with being anti-Christian. It is the perception that being pro-right wing Christian political muscle is anti-American that you are bumping up against. Hold your faith close to your heart, and live your life according to your private relationship with God and your religious community, and you will never get a rise out of anyone. Make your religion into a political party and force specific religious preferences on the rest of us using that political power though, regardless of how you present those beliefs for the rest of us to swallow, and you should expect resistance. This "woe is me, the poor Christian being picked on for being a Christian by these rabid anti-Christians" is playing the victim, which is just not going to work. Jim