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Lenin is dead........Stalin is dead.......both the Idles of the liberals.....and the biggest mass murderers in history.

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Lenin is dead........Stalin is dead.......both the Idles of the liberals.....and the biggest mass murderers in history.
Well, thank God Hitler is dead too, the "idle" of the repugs.

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Lenin is dead........Stalin is dead.......both the Idles of the liberals.....and the biggest mass murderers in history.
Well, thank God Hitler is dead too, the "idle" of the repugs.
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...the deafening silence probably stems from this quote:
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I note now an increasing number of books on neoconservatives and foreign policy, bearing titles such as Imperial Dreams: Neoconservatism and the New Pax Americana, and many other such treatments of neoconservatism are no doubt on the way. But foreign policy was no part of early neoconservatism: Had it been, there would have been additional bases of division among the early neoconservatives. How the term "neoconservatism" morphed from a political tendency that dealt almost entirely with domestic social policy to one that deals almost entirely-indeed, entirely-with foreign policy is an interesting question, which I will not explore further here. There is very little overlap between those who promoted the neoconservatism of the 1970s and those committed to its latter-day manifestation.
In short, the evil manifestation of NeoCon behavior we're currently forced to deal with, has nothing to do with its ealier incarnation. Domestic elite cultural imperialism ain't quite the same as the more insidious hegemonic imperialism as practiced today, at least in a semi-democratic nation like the US.
Ah, so the history of neoconism (I made that word up all on my own, but you're now free to use it at your liesure) is unimportant, it is only the current definition that matters?
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Yeah, that's about it Bot. Kind of like calling someone who seems well adjusted and enjoying themselves gay today. It might get you a punch in the nose. Today's context is the one that counts in a discussion today. I hope that is not really a surprise to you. Jim
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Yeah, that's about it Bot. Kind of like calling someone who seems well adjusted and enjoying themselves gay today. It might get you a punch in the nose. Today's context is the one that counts in a discussion today. I hope that is not really a surprise to you. Jim
"surprise" hardly covers it. Astonished is a better word. It's like saying today's definition of communism is the only one that's interesting, to heck with that Marx character.

If you want to understand neoconology then it's a good idea to understand neocontology.
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Well now, that is astonishing. No one ever said the history of a word's meaning was not interesting, only that, when you are discussing an item in a contemporary setting, you should not be surprised when your audience finds your out of date diction tiresome. You can discuss the original meaning of the word gay until you are blue in the face, but if you use it and do not mean homosexual today, you are taking a great risk of being misunderstood. Today's neocons are not what their now expired namesakes were. Big deal. The fact that the term was once used to describe many of my own outlooks on social experimentation is an interesting fact, but not all that meaningful in a political discussion focussed on current events. I have been labelled a neocon on the far right side of Wolfowitz in the recent past. Big deal. I am sure I have been called worse and will be called worse many more times, if there is such a thing that is worse than a neocon today (maybe not, but you never know what tommorow holds). Jim
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If your house is on fire, that last thing you want to do is listen to a treatise on the history of incendiary technology. I'm a bit distracted with the latest conflagration wrought by those pointy-headed brainiacs--no time to wax poetic about their seminal years.
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Lenin is my dwell, Stalin is my idle.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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