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...Ms Coulter is NOT in any way shape or form in the same league as Mr Zinn's Roto-Rooter man, let alone the Major-Dood himself--she's the suppository for "supposed-to-be" journalists, and redmeat for the dip$h!t set.
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...Ms Coulter is NOT in any way shape or form in the same league as Mr Zinn's Roto-Rooter man, let alone the Major-Dood himself--she's the suppository for "supposed-to-be" journalists, and redmeat for the dip$h!t set.
NSD.

Both like to concentrate on a particularly narrow perspective that supports their beliefs. Both offer analysis that begs the answer through careful framing. Give Coulter 50 years and she'll have calmed the incendiary fires and appear reasonable to folks who long for her message.

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Did I not nominate Ann as the future pres? Botnst, check my thread on that, I pulled this same same article as I think she is a good enough coucou to qualify for the presidency
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Are Germany and the US Heading for a Thaw?

By Charles Hawley in Berlin

It's no secret that German Chancellor Schroeder and US President Bush don't get along. Schroeder, after all, has been a constant 'nein' to Bush's 'yup.' But with a new government under opposition leader Angela Merkel a serious possibility, are things about to change?

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Angela Merkel's support of Bush has not always made her popular in Germany. Here, a parade float during Carnival in Mainz earlier this year shows Merkel playing second fiddle to Bush.

It was a political masterstroke by German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. Up for re-election in 2002 and behind in the polls, he grasped at the one straw that could perhaps save him from losing the election. He played the Iraq card -- and said that under no condition would Germany be drawn into an American-led war in Iraq. The move proved wildly popular in Germany, where an overwhelming majority of the electorate was against the US invasion. Schroeder came from behind and won a razor thin re-election.

But the political fallout was huge. US President George W. Bush took Schroeder's politicization of the Iraq invasion personally. After all, Bush was under the impression that Schroeder had promised not to use Iraq as a campaign issue. The result was a deep, frigid, and long trans-Atlantic winter that only recently seems to have begun thawing. Slightly. Despite welcome -- and bipartisan -- attempts at cordiality during Bush's visit to the western German city of Mainz in February, Schroeder still has a number of pet projects that have continued to concern Germany's big brother across the ocean. He wants Germany to have a permanent seat in the United Nations Security Council, for example -- an idea that the US has appeared reluctant to embrace. And more controversial, Schroeder spent much of the early spring this year campaigning for the lifting of a European arms embargo against China. The US was not pleased.

But as of Sunday, with Schroeder's party losing heavily in elections in Germany's most populous state of North-Rhine Westphalia and the chancellor's subsequent -- and unexpected -- call for new federal elections this fall, all bets are suddenly off. He is, say most analysts, unlikely to pull off another miracle.

A new trans-Atlantic era

His replacement is almost sure to be Angela Merkel -- the likely candidate from the opposition Christian Democrats (CDU). And, when it comes to Bush, she has done everything she can to distance herself from Schroeder's antagonistic stance and present herself as a great friend of the United States. A new, and more amicable trans-Atlantic era between Germany and the US may be on the horizon.

"Trans-Atlantic relations would be very much more relaxed" under Merkel, says Peter Fischer-Bollin, a trans-Atlantic expert with the pro-CDU Konrad Adenauer Stiftung in Berlin. "On the one hand because of specific positions ... and on the other hand, the tone of discussions that are currently taking place would be much milder. The relationship of trust would improve.... I think perhaps that the people in the CDU are much more pro-trans-Atlantic than those in the current government."

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Bush and Schroeder have not always seen eye-to-eye.
Merkel has spent much of the last four years underlining that impression. While Schroeder spent much of 2002 and 2003 reiterating his categoric refusal to be drawn into Iraq, Merkel was busy making friends in Washington. In February 2003, she was even received by US Vice President Dick Cheney. While she was critical of America's unilateral approach -- criticism that became even more vocal within her party following the Abu Ghraib torture scandal -- she expressed cautious support for Bush's aggressive Iraq policies before and during the war by saying, "It is wrong to separate the issues of terrorism and Saddam Hussein. We need to see things from the perspective of the United States."

Still, a Chancellor Merkel would likely not throw Germany's skeptical attitude to Iraq overboard. The country is still very much against any German involvement in Iraq and it is highly unlikely that President Bush would embarrass her by asking for added German support.

"I don't really know what could be changed in Iraq," says Michael Burda, a professor at Berlin's Humboldt University and a US citizen. "The US is certainly not looking for a grand political gesture."

Would Merkel be Bush poodle number two?

Merkel's vocal skepticism of Schroeder's support for the lifting of the European Union arms embargo against China -- a spring 2005 proposal that Bush came out strongly against -- is also likely to endear her to the Bush administration. And, while Bush was clearly worried primarily about confronting European-made weapons in a potential conflict with China over Taiwan -- and secondarily about human rights abuses in China -- Merkel based her argument solidly on the foundation of US-Germany relations. Lifting the embargo, she said in April of this year, "would endanger trans-Atlantic defense cooperation."

And yet, despite the CDU's tradition of friendliness with the US, Bush is not likely to gain another uncritical bosom buddy a la British Prime Minister Tony Blair. Merkel, too, has expressed cautious support for the idea of a German UN Security Council seat -- although she has couched her endorsement in language that would allow her to quickly back away from the position should it engender too much international opposition. A likely backup position would be support for a combined European Union seat.

Potentially more serious, however, is the issue of Turkish accession into the European Union. Merkel and the CDU have been vocal in their rejection of the idea of Turkish membership. In October of 2004, she even went so far as to call for a petition to be created opposing Turkey's EU ambitions and promoting a so-called "privileged partnership," which would increase economic cooperation between the EU and Turkey, but essentially leave Turkey on the outside looking in. Bush, on the other hand, has been a major cheerleader in Turkey's attempts to gain membership in the European club. He sees Turkey as a potential role model for other countries in the Middle East due to Turkey's embrace of secular democracy.

Merkel turned herself into a German darling in Washington due to her less shrill tone on Iraq.

Indeed, some observers say that the Turkey question is the only subtantial current foreign policy issue where Merkel's CDU differs from Schroeder.

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NEWSWEEK DISSEMBLED, MUSLIMS DISMEMBERED!
May 18, 2005

..Islamic savages.........

These are people who stone rape victims to death because the family "honor" has been violated and who fly planes into American skyscrapers

..Islamic loonies.............

News magazines don't kill people, Muslims do.

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Ann Coulter is a scourge. She's is the perfect example of what is wrong with today's political discourse and partisanship. She's is just seething with angry bigotry, not only against Muslims, but also against the 48% of the country she terms as "liberals."

Overall I disagree with most Nazi references that come up in these threads, but she is truly on par with Goebbels.
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Ann Coulter for pres '08

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NEWSWEEK DISSEMBLED, MUSLIMS DISMEMBERED!
May 18, 2005

..Islamic savages.........

These are people who stone rape victims to death because the family "honor" has been violated and who fly planes into American skyscrapers

..Islamic loonies.............

News magazines don't kill people, Muslims do.

COPYRIGHT 2005 ANN COULTER

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Ann Coulter is a scourge. She's is the perfect example of what is wrong with today's political discourse and partisanship. She's is just seething with angry bigotry, not only against Muslims, but also against the 48% of the country she terms as "liberals."

Overall I disagree with most Nazi references that come up in these threads, but she is truly on par with Goebbels.
Okay, you don't like her, but tell me where what she has said is wrong.

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Okay, you don't like her, but tell me where what she has said is wrong.
...what part of the phrases "Islamic savages" and "Islamic loonies" is correct? She's an incendiary polemicist, which means it's entirely irrelevent whether she's right, wrong or wringing wet--facts are beside the point.
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...what part of the phrases "Islamic savages" and "Islamic loonies" is correct? She's an incendiary polemicist, which means it's entirely irrelevent whether she's right, wrong or wringing wet--facts are beside the point.
I'd say 'savages' and 'loonies' are both correct. How very liberal of you to claim 'facts are beside the point'. If you far-left nutjobs would pay a little more attention to those pesky irrelevant facts, you maybe wouldn't get your behinds booted in national elections.

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How sad it is for this country that the right wing nut jobs, while good at winning elections thanks to their Smear Boat Media Machine, absolutley suck at running the country. You poll numbers could not be worse, and now you can't even keep your own party together to support an increasingly despised president, a president whom now everyone knows, thanks to the recently leaked "British Memo" is nothing more than a lowlife murdering thug. The fact that lowlife thugs like Coulter are his chief supporters and the heros of the increasingly smaller rightwing nut job set, is not surprising. If the utterly pointless quagmire in Iraq continues, if the idiocy of letting people die so embryos that are going in the trash anyway can remain unviolated, if the Dead Duck Dow continues as the dollar slides and oil climbs, if healthcare costs continue to get so out of control they drive businesses into bankruptcy, you are going to be feeling the boot shortly yourselves. Far left, far right, who gives a shit, it's the big middle that is growingincreasingly tired of this bullshit world the right wings nuts have created.




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-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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