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I guess I'll stand in here as your token Lefty strawman. Yes, the NY Times has a bias; a bias toward New York, a large metropolis full of cultural elites, many of whom have center-left views on the issues of the day. But, their bias also includes an entrenched establishment viewpoint that does not think outside the box or value new and different ideas, except to introduce them as objects of condescension and disdain.

NY Times bias = (cultural elites + establishment views) --> squishy Liberal

Fox "News" is ideologically driven with an overt partisan agenda. I don't think the NY Times has an agenda per se, but it does assertively promote its cosmopolitan (moderately liberal) worldview with an arrogance that can easily be construed as an agenda. The two "news" sources cannot be remotely considered to be analogous; the Times despite its many faults does contain serious and substantive journalism, Fox does not.
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Can someone remind me exactly what is the difference between England and the USA? No wonder I feel so at home there. Is GB only a corporate little brother for the USA? I hope not.

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I guess I'll stand in here as your token Lefty strawman. Yes, the NY Times has a bias; a bias toward New York, a large metropolis full of cultural elites, many of whom have center-left views on the issues of the day. But, their bias also includes an entrenched establishment viewpoint that does not think outside the box or value new and different ideas, except to introduce them as objects of condescension and disdain.

NY Times bias = (cultural elites + establishment views) --> squishy Liberal

Fox "News" is ideologically driven with an overt partisan agenda. I don't think the NY Times has an agenda per se, but it does assertively promote its cosmopolitan (moderately liberal) worldview with an arrogance that can easily be construed as an agenda. The two "news" sources cannot be remotely considered to be analogous; the Times despite its many faults does contain serious and substantive journalism, Fox does not.
How have you concluded that Fox News does not have substantive journalism? Is that statement hyperbole or is your position that there is really no substantive journalism?

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What, you expect viewers to be 'fair and balanced'? Hahaha!

I'll bet all news folks engage in some sort of news pumping. It may vary from calling a source and asking if they "have anything" to paying a wino to douse himself in gasoline and ignite it on tape for the evening news.

It's just that they don't get caught very often (or as often as they should get caught). They (newpeople) are a bunch of sanctimonious bastards and I love to see them hoisted: Liberal, conservative, I don't care. Hoist them all. The only thing less worthy of admiration are faith healers and politicians.

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How have you concluded that Fox News does not have substantive journalism? Is that statement hyperbole or is your position that there is really no substantive journalism?
I guess a working definiton of journalism is wholely subjective these days, so in my arrogant, self-important and pompous opinion, Fox misses the bar I set for acceptable journalistic practices. If you disagree with me, then you're just plain wrong buster!
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How have you concluded that Fox News does not have substantive journalism? Is that statement hyperbole or is your position that there is really no substantive journalism?
I guess a working definiton of journalism is wholely subjective these days, so in my arrogant, self-important and pompous opinion, Fox misses the bar I set for acceptable journalistic practices. If you disagree with me, then you're just plain wrong buster!
We agree on your assessment of journalism. I don't watch Fox News or any other televised news anymore so I couldn't defend any of them credibly. I trust your opinion so let's just say Fox is propaganda from the right and the others are that from the left.


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Can someone remind me exactly what is the difference between England and the USA? No wonder I feel so at home there. Is GB only a corporate little brother for the USA? I hope not.

PS Down with Blair.
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I guess I'll stand in here as your token Lefty strawman. Yes, the NY Times has a bias; a bias toward New York, a large metropolis full of cultural elites, many of whom have center-left views on the issues of the day. But, their bias also includes an entrenched establishment viewpoint that does not think outside the box or value new and different ideas, except to introduce them as objects of condescension and disdain.

NY Times bias = (cultural elites + establishment views) --> squishy Liberal
Z, I think you nailed it perfectly. My relatives who live in NY are exactly that way and cannot understand why the rest of the USA doesn't follow their lead. They know they're smart, they're making money, they have great museums and theatres, a million good clubs---they should be the leaders. They certainly have no clue why Clem would find any life-long joy in being a pig farmer in Missouri.

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Right, I certainly don't want to be seen as defending the Times' editorial policies, but I do think it's a damn fine read...in fact, it's just about the best mainstream paper in the US. I'm probably just as offended by their editorial positions as their conservative detractors. But, they simply are NOT a Liberal version of Fox--there really is no direct analogy between the two entities. Fox caters to a tabloid style of info-tainment, while the Times does do sensationalism, it typically undergirds that artiface with some substantive journalistic exploration--Fox just moves on to the next story.
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Like Az said, I don't know from FoxNews, but I enjoy using it to taunt people. It's cheap red-baiting and I should be ashamed.

hahahaha!!

I read the NY Times every day. Despite their valient, underhanded, sneaky, skullduggery, they haven't brainwashed me yet. Or maybe they're even more clever than I imagines: They undermine my fasctist desire and turn me into a mind-numbed robot.

Anyway, they are to me, the most informative paper I've ever read. They do good in-depth reporting on a wide array of timely topics. They have a urban east coast slant. Wow, great revelation.

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