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Yet another Schiavo thread - hopefully the last

I blatantly stole this post from another forum that was linked to in a third forum. <-- not an apology

After reading so much on this issue, I finally found a site that gives the straight facts on the Shiavo case. I was confused about the whole situation: Does Terri answer questions? Does she know what is going on? Have the courts examined extenuating circumstances? Does Mr. Shiavo profit from her death? Did Terri ever get good treatment? (Ect, ect, ect.)

I used the FC search feature to see if this link has been posted before and I didn't find it, but I apologize if this is a dupe.

It was extremely difficult to choose one or two paragraphs to post here, the entire site is so chock-full of information. There is a complete time line with links and the most exhaustive (and honest) FAQ on this case I've seen so far.

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From http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html :

Why did Terri’s husband get to make the decision about whether she should live or die?

Michael Schiavo did not make the decision to discontinue life-prolonging measures for Terri.

As Terri's husband, Michael has been her guardian and her surrogate decision-maker. By 1998, though -- eight years after the trauma that produced Terri's situation -- Michael and Terri's parents disagreed over the proper course for her.

Rather than make the decision himself, Michael followed a procedure permitted by Florida courts by which a surrogate such as Michael can petition a court, asking the court to act as the ward's surrogate and determine what the ward would decide to do. Michael did this, and based on statements Terri made to him and others, he took the position that Terri would not wish to continue life-prolonging measures. The Schindlers took the position that Terri would continue life-prolonging measures. Under this procedure, the trial court becomes the surrogate decision-maker, and that is what happened in this case.

What about the video clips that show Terri reacting to her mother?

The court opinions indicate that similar videos were viewed in their entirety by the trial court, which found that Terri's actions were no more than reflexive and could not be reproduced with any consistency. The Second District affirmed that decision.

Is Michael really just looking for money?

I have no way to know. I know what the Schindlers say to reporters, but then I know that the Second District's first decision in the case used these words to describe Michael's care for Terri:

Theresa has been blessed with loving parents and a loving husband. Many patients in this condition would have been abandoned by friends and family within the first year. Michael has continued to care for her and to visit her all these years. He has never divorced her. He has become a professional respiratory therapist and works in a nearby hospital. As a guardian, he has always attempted to provide optimum treatment for his wife. He has been a diligent watch guard of Theresa's care, never hesitating to annoy the nursing staff in order to assure that she receives the proper treatment.

Recently, Michael received an offer of $1 million, and perhaps a second offer of $10 million, to walk away from this case and permit Terri's parents to care for her. These offers, assuming there were two, were based on a misunderstanding of the situation here. Michael lacks the power to undo the court order determining Terri's wishes and requiring the removal of her feeding tube. He did not make the decision and cannot unmake it. The court made the decision on Terri's behalf. Nonetheless, Michael apparently rejected each offer.

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The nut jobs have gone out of their way to villianize the guy. I find it odd they talk of him getting money when the news is full of stories of millions of dollars being poured into the Schindler's efforts. This poor women has met a terrible fate - to be the star of the Republican Party's wacko wing's freak show. I don't know if anyone saw the Scarbourough show last night - he is currently the self-appointed ringmaster - but a doctor in the case lit into his ass something fierce, calling what Squinty is pushing "a load of crap" among other things, and calling his nasty little field reporter "stupid" for asking loaded questions when there was a ton of information out there that answers them clearly. This poor women is massively brain damaged. She has had the best medical care one could hope for, and the trial judge has bent over backwards to allow the Schindler's to make their case. The humane thing is to allow this human being for whom personhood left a long time ago, to pass away.


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By Jane Sutton

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. (Reuters) - The husband of brain-damaged Florida woman Terri Schiavo has ordered an autopsy after she dies to silence allegations his plan to cremate her body is aimed at hiding something, his lawyer said on Monday.

As supporters of Schiavo's parents took their fight to prolong her life to Washington 10 days after her feeding was stopped, Michael Schiavo's lawyer, George Felos, said her pulse had become "thready" and she had not passed urine for a while -- a possible sign of approaching death.

He said Michael Schiavo, who has been pitted against the parents in a seven-year legal conflict over whether to allow Schiavo to die, requested an official autopsy to show the "massive" extent of the brain damage she suffered in 1990.

"We didn't think it was appropriate to talk about an autopsy prior to Mrs. Schiavo's death," Felos told reporters outside his law office in Dunedin, Florida.

"But because claims have been made by, I guess, opponents of carrying out her wishes that there was some motive behind the cremation of Mrs. Schiavo we felt it was necessary to make that announcement today."

Disagreement over the planned cremation rather than the full burial demanded by Schiavo's Roman Catholic parents has been a subplot to the long legal battle.

The fate of the woman, who has been in a persistent vegetative state since suffering cardiac arrest, has become a cause for Christian conservatives and drawn in Congress, President Bush and his brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

State courts have accepted testimony from Michael Schiavo and others that she did not want to be kept alive artificially, but her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, disagree, and maintain she tries to communicate with them.

Pressured by the Christian right, Congress passed a special law that allowed the Schindlers to take their case to federal court, and President Bush cut short a vacation to sign it.

The effort proved in vain as court after court -- all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court -- rejected a flurry of petitions since the feeding tube was disconnected on March 18.

Nevertheless, supporters of Bob and Mary Schindler again appealed for federal or state intervention.

"This is about the soul of our nation, the soul of our church," said Michael McMonagle, spokesman for the Pro-Life Union of Southeastern Pennsylvania, as around two dozen protesters gathered in a park across from the White House.

Outside the hospice in Pinellas Park, Florida, where Schiavo is being cared for, the protesters were dismissive of Michael Schiavo's plans for an autopsy.

"It's a way to cover his behind," said Randall Terry, an anti-abortion activist speaking for the Schindlers.

Bob Schindler, who has at times asserted his daughter was in her final hours and at others maintained that it was not too late to intervene, said earlier she was "fighting like hell."

Doctors said when the feeding tube was disconnected that she would likely last for up to two weeks without sustenance.

Schindler said Schiavo was beginning to look like a Nazi "concentration camp" survivor and voiced a fear that hospice staff might try to hasten her end by giving her an overdose of morphine.

"We do not hasten death in any way, nor do we prolong life. That is not our role," said Louise Cleary, a spokeswoman for the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast.

Felos said Schindler's fears were misplaced. He said Schiavo was not on a morphine drip but had received two "minuscule" 5 milligram doses of the opiate since March 18.

He said he visited her on Monday and she looked peaceful and calm.

"Mrs. Schiavo's pulse is described by the nursing staff as thready. Also she has had no urine output since last night," Felos said. Doctors say a lack of urine would be an early indication that Schiavo's kidneys are shutting down.

"I saw no evidence of any bodily discomfort whatsoever. It doesn't appear from at least me seeing her, and you know I'm not a doctor by any means, but it doesn't appear her death is imminent but it's just impossible to say," Felos said.

(Additional reporting by JoAnne Allen and Tabassum Zakaria in Washington, and Robert Green in Pinellas Park)

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They are doing this just because they want to highlight the liberals hypocricy....

Pro-abortion...
Pro-feeding tube yanking.....


Yet so concerned about terrorists "so-called" civil rights...adn how COnvicted murderers don't deserve the death penalty......

Liberalism is a culture of death...

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They are doing this just because they want to highlight the liberals hypocricy....
You are guilty of blatant flip-floppery. I now see your method. Sit back, see which side the liberals are lining up on, then take the other side.

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They are doing this just because they want to highlight the liberals hypocricy....
You are guilty of blatant flip-floppery. I now see your method. Sit back, see which side the liberals are lining up on, then take the other side.
He doesn't have a position on anything, Ron. His only position is the opposite of the liberal position.

The only exception is his position regarding individual workers rights at large companies. He does an completely astounding 180 on that one. I'm still shocked.[:0]

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Curse those pro-feeding tube yankers! The fate of the union hinges on stopping these rascals!

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Liberalism is a culture of death...

Kill the infirm.....kill the unborn......but argue against the death penalty.
Is that any less hypocritical to cut social security benefits for individuals with disabilities, oppose planned parenthood and then kill adult offenders who grow up in impoverished and abusive environments?

Conservatism is a culture of morons.

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Liberalism is a culture of death...

Kill the infirm.....kill the unborn......but argue against the death penalty.
Is that any less hypocritical to cut social security benefits for individuals with disabilities, oppose planned parenthood and then kill adult offenders who grow up in impoverished and abusive environments?

Conservatism is a culture of morons.
Anyone committing murder during commision of a crime...or just as the crime itself...deserves the chair. No excuses....they did it knowing full well they were doing it.

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They are doing this just because they want to highlight the liberals hypocricy....
You are guilty of blatant flip-floppery. I now see your method. Sit back, see which side the liberals are lining up on, then take the other side.
He doesn't have a position on anything, Ron. His only position is the opposite of the liberal position.

I've got a position on everything.....just because you guys can't guess what it is doesn''t mean its not there.

And liberals are on the wrong side of 95% of the issues........

The only exception is his position regarding individual workers rights at large companies. He does an completely astounding 180 on that one. I'm still shocked.[:0]

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Liberalism is a culture of death...

Kill the infirm.....kill the unborn......but argue against the death penalty.
Is that any less hypocritical to cut social security benefits for individuals with disabilities, oppose planned parenthood and then kill adult offenders who grow up in impoverished and abusive environments?

Conservatism is a culture of morons.
Anyone committing murder during commision of a crime...or just as the crime itself...deserves the chair. No excuses....they did it knowing full well they were doing it.
Yet again you miss the point. I believe the death penalty is appropriate for most offenses, from credit fraud to Murder and especially narcotics trafficking. I advocate federally implemented eugenics starting with people who say "shizzle" and "ova yonder".

I'm a new kind of Liberal.

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