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Anyone read 'Mein Kampf'?

After watching the movie 'Downfall' a few weeks ago I decided I needed to rectify my ignorance and purchased a copy of Mein Kampf which I am slowly making my way thru.
I've learned a number of important things already.
First, Kirk's frequent comparisons of Bush to Hitler are really unfair--to Hitler. Hitler is a shrewd and sophisticated analyzer of global politics and State interests who was contemplating serious political decisions in life at a time when Bush's most difficult decision was whether to drink Budweister or Coors.

More importantly, I was surprised to learn (if Hitler's account of his own political evolution is to be believed), that his hatred of Jews derived from his view that Jews were the propagators of Marxism. Marxism was hated because it was the propagator of internationalism. Internationalism was to be hated because it presumed the equality of nation states and ethnic groups, undermining his central belief in the superiority of Germans. (Which makes me wonder how people in the wilds of Idaho can find such kinship with a man who thinks they are inferior since they are not Germans??)

The puzzle at the moment for me is explaining the intellectual roots of Hitler's rabid German nationalism. There's nothing in the work so far that gives any clear indication of how this idea was able to be so deeply engrained in Hitler's mind at such a young age and why doubts about German superiority never seemed to have arisen to any level of seriousness.
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RE: Anyone read 'Mein Kampf'?

I've read the book. It reveals Hitler as a man with a clear vision of what he wishes to achieve, a vison built on an intellectual foundation of madness. I still agree with a history professor friend of mine that the central mistake made by Hitler was in making Nazism a German movement instead of a white race movement, which it eventually evolved into, as we see it today. The professor's reasoning is appealling - in the 1920s and 30s, the Ku Klux Klan was a powerful political force in the South, and if Nazi ideology had ever caught on with them, and with the masses of European immigrants in the big American cities, the entire history of America would have been much different - an American Nazi furher-type could have easily used blacks in the scapegoat role when the Depression hit. There was also a burgeoning Nazi movement in Britian prior to WWII as well. All of these movements, if they had been properly organized and allowed to grow in peacetime would have paid off big for Hitler if he had waited until 1945 to start his war. It would have caused unrest in the societies of all his enemies, and allowed fascist governments to come to power without the need for invasion. Instead, Hitler was hoisted on his German Master Race petard, and this compartmentalization of his movement led more to its downfall than anything else. Probably the most interesting book on how he came to be and his early intellectual influences can be found in this excellent book:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393046710/103-2118173-8815803

(which BTW also has extensive material on Hitler's love affair with his Mercedes).

After reading a number of books on Hitler, I have pretty much concluded that he was a genius who went mad after achieving absolute power and his greatest military success in 1941, probably has a result of a long history of amphetamine abuse. Every action taken after the fall of France are the acts of a paranoid, delusional psychotic. Most people do not realize that the German-Soviet Non-agression Pact created a de-facto alliance between the Russians and the Germans, and that the Russians were actively aiding Hitler in his attempt to knock out the British. Hitler's obsession with an empire in the East made him totally blind to the fact that Stalin was more than willing to split Eurasia and Africa down the middle with Hitler, giving the Soviets all of the European colonial possessions in the East - India, Indochina, Polynesia, etc, and allowing Hitler all of non-Russian Europe, Africa, and the fabulous oil prize of the Middle East. We are an incredibly lucky world.






Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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RE: Anyone read 'Mein Kampf'?

I struggled with it ..... LOL

Interesting to know that vitality research in the era of dear old Adolf meant that vitamins were in fact speed injections.

It was recently suggested that Adolf was a speed junkie as a result. So anyone that has met one would know that there is common theme of psychological myopia in such people.

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RE: Anyone read 'Mein Kampf'?

Kerry, if you are looking for some interesting stuff, the "Stormtrooper" movement in the last year of WWI evolved into a political movement in the 20s that is quite interesting. The Germans invented the flamethrower in the last year of WWI, and built highly patriotically-indoctrinated military suicide units around the weapon. In the sectors they were employed, they became great heros to the troops and were very successful against the enemy, giving the troops in those sectors the impression they were winning the war. The collapse of Germany came as a total surprise to these men. Their hero status gave them a following in Germany after the war, and it was among them that the idea that Jews had sold them out while they were winning became an integrated belief. Hitler's early political genius was in attracting the Stormtrooper movement to the Nazi Party. Hitler, who was awarded the Iron Cross for bravery in WWI, used his great oratorical powers to give voice to these ideas as one who had suffered with them. The core of Hitler's movement was the army and former soldiers of WWI. If you are looking for parallels to today, these men demanded that the people "support the troops" - them and their fanatical idealogy. Everytime I see one of those little yellow ribbons on a car, I mentally super-impose a few line changes, and presto, a swastika. That may sound extreme to some people, but it was the exact same phenomenon - driven by a patriotic desire to show support for the troops, to show solidarity with those who had been sold out.




Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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RE: Anyone read 'Mein Kampf'?

The movie 'Downfall' (which I highly recommend) certainly portrays Hitler as mentally unstable.
While I can see the point of your history professor, I cannot imagine it being remotely possible. Hitler seemed so driven by German nationalism that it seems completely beyond his ability to comprehend an empire built around anything other than Germans. If he had been able to imagine such a thing, I don't believe he would have been so focused on ridding Germany of Marxists and Jews.
I'll check out the book.
I'm at the stage in Mein Kampf where he's recounting his experiences in WWI. You are certainly correct about his views on the military. I think they're closely connected to his aim of producing a moral society focused on honor, revolving around the ultimate good of the State.
It makes me think that there is some benefit to fundamentalism in the US since within such a system it is always possible to split allegiances between God and the State. Hitler would have none of that.
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Odd timing; a blurb on the news this morning indicated that the current #1 book being read in Turkey is Mein Kampf. The #2 book is titled Heavy Metal. In it the US invades Turkey and the hero foils the plot by nuking Washington.

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RE: Anyone read 'Mein Kampf'?

Hitler was infused with the idea of establishing a Nazi religion. The SS were already beginning to practice it.

Hitler's henchman Rudolf Hess was a big believer in the idea of Aryan, rather than German racial supremcy. Hess was in contact with Nazi movements around the globe, and instigated the Nazi's successful satellite movements in Norway and Finland, both of which would bear fruit during the war. He was convinced he could get the British to see the error of their Aryan ways. This all culminated in mad Hess jumping from an airplane into England, convinced he could talk them into an alliance.

One surprising thing you learn in the book "Hubris" is how much Hitler was influenced by the American Confederacy. There is little difference between a National Socialist and Confederate government. Very few concentration camps were Death Camps, most were just modern plantations. Their economic systems and theories are identical, as is the master race concept and the supremcy of a pure-race military class. In many ways, Nazism was born in America, not Germany.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Odd timing; a blurb on the news this morning indicated that the current #1 book being read in Turkey is Mein Kampf. The #2 book is titled Heavy Metal. In it the US invades Turkey and the hero foils the plot by nuking Washington.
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Hitler has the right idea..................

the only problem was his blaming the jews for everything when it was the Gypsys that were responsible for everything.

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RE: Anyone read 'Mein Kampf'?

Up to now, I was not interested in Hitler's stuggles as apparently illustrated in Mein Kampf. Now I'm curious but the disdain I have for his movement will most likely keep me disinterested....same goes for Mao's, Stalin's, Pol Pot's and Saddam's Kampf.

The posts on this thead and the opinions in them that I've read are revealing and educational though. I always appreciate the ideas I find here whether I agree with them or not.

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