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Only an idiot would post the stupid crap you put here. Whaz a matter, did it get boring over at MBS? Couldn't figure out what a "eulogy" is? Myself, I've been fuming all day over the 75 bucks that guy had to pay to Maryland. Screw that Schiavo crap, that makes my blood boil!
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Jeezus! The Diesel Forum has become a seething den of....POLITICS! RUN! RUN! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

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Only an idiot would post the stupid crap you put here. Whaz a matter, did it get boring over at MBS? Couldn't figure out what a "eulogy" is? Myself, I've been fuming all day over the 75 bucks that guy had to pay to Maryland. Screw that Schiavo crap, that makes my blood boil!
Can't stand it when I point out the Liberals hypocracy can't you.....


Personally I don't have comments on the Eulogy....

And I think MD's ripping the ( or at the point TRYING to)guy off for 75 bucks pisses me off too.....
A, actually VD, I was being sarcastic. I think your dealer is mixing too much ether into your crank this month.

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A, actually VD, I was being sarcastic. I think your dealer is mixing too much ether into your crank this month.
You should know better.

The machine does not understand "sarcasm".

It's not part of it's programming.

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Incidently.....I think the feeding tube should have been pulled years ago......just the stupid argument the liberals put forth showed their compassion for convicted murderers was greater than the unborn child.

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Ah yes, Diesel discussion, the new OD!

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The Republicans have cynical motives for trying to stop Terri Schiavo being taken off life support

Sidney Blumenthal
Thursday March 24, 2005
The Guardian

The politics of piety were transparently masked by Republicans attempting to make capital over the fate of Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged woman who has been locked in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years and whose feeding tube was ordered to be removed by a Florida state judge at the request of her husband.
At last, the case that had been considered by 19 judges in seven courts and appealed to the supreme court three times, which refused to hear it, seemed resolved. But Republican congressional leaders and President George Bush seized upon the court ruling as the moment for "a great political issue", as a memo circulated among Senate Republicans put it. The Democrats, it declared, would find it "tough" and the conservative "pro-life base will be excited". The president, who had hesitated for three days before making a statement on the tsunami in December, rushed from his Texas ranch back to the White House to sign the legislation.


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The Schiavo case is unique among all medical cases, including 35,000 other people in persistent vegetative states. It is the only one in which the parents, who are not legal custodians, have been granted by an act of Congress and the president a federal court review of state court rulings. Wresting jurisdiction from the state judiciary is an unprecedented usurpation, a travesty of the federal system, displacing the constitution with an ill-defined faith-based "culture of life", enthroning by edict theology above the law.
In 1999, as governor of Texas, Bush signed a state law permitting hospitals to cease artificial life support when doctors decide reasonable hope is gone, even if the patient's family objects. Now, two months into his second term as president, his major domestic initiative to privatise social security is doomed, his budget dead on arrival and his poll ratings down to 45% approval, his low point.

His brother, Governor Jeb Bush of Florida, has campaigned for years on the Schiavo holy crusade and has hired a prominent religious rightwing leader as the lawyer to represent the state in the case. In their legal battle the agonised Schiavo parents have made themselves financial dependents of two conservative groups, one anti-abortion, the other whose stated mission is to "confront and challenge the radical legal agenda advocating homosexual behaviour".

The Senate majority leader, Bill Frist of Tennessee, is a leading candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008. For him, the Schiavo case is the beginning of the struggle for Bush's succession. A heart surgeon before his entry into politics, the nameplate on the front door to his Capitol Hill office reads "William H Frist, MD", and he signs correspondence "Bill Frist, MD".

Amid the debate, after watching snatches of video tape of Schiavo, he proclaimed a diagnosis that she was not vegetative, contrary to the neurologists who have personally examined her. Several months ago, in a national TV interview on ABC, Frist refused to acknowledge that saliva and tears cannot transmit Aids-HIV, one of the shibboleths of the religious right.

The house majority leader, Tom DeLay of Texas - thrice rebuked by the house ethics committee, who has paralysed the committee in order that it not consider new, more serious charges against him, whose closest aides are on trial in Texas for corruption, and who has taken measures to try to protect his power from being stripped if he is indicted - explained the Schiavo case as divinely inspired to rescue conservatives from martyrdom at a meeting of a rightwing group. "One thing God has brought to us is Terri Schiavo," said DeLay. "This is exactly the issue that's going on in America, the attacks on the conservative movement against me and many others... This is a huge nationwide concerted effort to destroy everything we believe in... and we have to fight back." Like Frist, DeLay plays doctor. "She talks and she laughs and she expresses likes and discomforts," he declared.

"Come down, President Bush," said the anguished husband, Michael Schiavo. "Come talk to me. Meet my wife. Talk to my wife and see if you get an answer. Ask her to lift her arm to shake your hand. She won't do it."

Terri Schiavo cannot speak or gesture, but to true believers, even though she is silent, she is making sounds only they can hear. They see what they want in order to believe, and they believe in order to see. For the first time public policy in the US is being made on the basis of pitting invisible signs versus science.

As in tribal cultures, a confederacy of shamans - Bush, Frist and DeLay - have appeared to conduct rites of necrophiliac spiritualism. Only the shamans can interpret for the dying and control their spirits hovering between heaven and earth. The public opinion polls show overwhelming disapproval of the Republican position. But these polls are just so much social science. In this operation, for the tribe, there is no way of proving failure.



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Mr. Kvining,
You sound so disallusioned in your constant ranting and raving I can't help but feel sorry for you. Your implausible attempts to put every scenario or public topic into the understandable borders on the irrational postulations of a madman. I hope you find a partner who shares your emperical ideology; then you can torture yourselves into eternity.
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Just what I need, advice from some loser who posts unsolicited attacks on the Internet. Fuck you too, buddy.

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Mr. Kvining,
You sound so disallusioned in your constant ranting and raving I can't help but feel sorry for you. Your implausible attempts to put every scenario or public topic into the understandable borders on the irrational postulations of a madman. I hope you find a partner who shares your emperical ideology; then you can torture yourselves into eternity.
Have a nice day!
And you prefer to promote aggressive randomness or hypocrisy? The difference between live and let live and live and learn is remarkably lucid here. You sound rather effluent (ahem) in your social passiveness.
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Here you go folks, the real story of America's top "Christian":


DeLay’s ‘Moral’ Defenders Ignore His Sleazy Allies
by Joe Conason

As the rhetoric of the radical right turns shrill and even violent, the stunning moral emptiness of its leadership can no longer be ignored. Pious politicians and political preachers may hope to divert attention from their disgrace by threatening judges or denouncing the media. But what has emerged from the scandals surrounding House Majority Leader Tom DeLay is a dark portrait of Washington’s conservative elite, whose behavior should repel every American honestly concerned about "moral values."

For a moment, set aside the issues raised by Mr. DeLay’s acceptance of possibly illegal favors from foreign interests, which are now the subject of several federal investigations. Forget all his sleazy favor-mongering and bullying. Consider instead the character of the lobbyists who have risen to the commanding heights of the capital economy, thanks to their connections with him—and compare the morality of their business practices with the "family values" propaganda that keeps them and their patrons in power.

The top dog in this predatory pack, until lately, was Jack Abramoff, a super-lobbyist whose status as Mr. DeLay’s close friend, fund-raiser and golfing buddy brought him wealth and power. Known to his peers as "Casino Jack," Mr. Abramoff and his associates have apparently conned several Indian tribes out of as much as $80 million. According to reports in the National Journal and other news sources, the Republican lobbyists played the tribes against each other as they competed for gambling permits and market share.

Among the consultants recruited by Mr. Abramoff to operate the Indian casino scheme was Ralph Reed, the famed evangelical Christian activist who founded the Christian Coalition with Pat Robertson, and who now hopes to be elected lieutenant governor of Georgia. For a sweet fee of $4 million, Mr. Reed concocted "grass-roots anti-gambling" groups that Mr. Abramoff then deployed to stifle the tribal competitors of his clients.

For a skillful hypocrite like Mr. Reed, it was simple enough to "get our pastors riled up" against yet another sinful establishment—as he boasted in an e-mail to Mr. Abramoff—because they understood gambling’s destructive effects on families. At one point, he even persuaded James Dobson, probably the most powerful evangelical leader in the country, to organize opposition to a proposed casino in Texas.

Surely Mr. Dobson, who warns against the evils of gambling in his broadcast diatribes, didn’t realize he was putting his huge Focus on the Family network to work for "Casino Jack." (Mr. Reed also claims that he didn’t know what Mr. Abramoff was doing. Nobody believes him.) But Mr. Dobson has yet to speak out against the crooked matrix that misled him so badly, or the political leadership in Washington that profits from it.

Still uglier than the Indian gaming affair—and more directly implicating Mr. DeLay—is the story of Mr. Abramoff’s clientele in the northern Marianas Islands. The Pacific commonwealth serves as a haven for garment sweatshops that evade U.S. labor and immigration laws while legally labeling their products "Made in the U.S.A." Nearly every big name in the American rag trade has dealt with factories there.

Several years ago, the gross abuse of the laborers in the islands—mostly young women imported from China and Thailand—drew unwanted attention from the federal government. When Clinton administration officials proposed to crack down on the Marianas sweatshops and labor contractors, the commonwealth’s ruling elite hired Mr. Abramoff to protect them. He sponsored dozens of luxury junkets to the islands for Republican politicians and commentators, spread around plenty of campaign money, and soon had Mr. DeLay pledging to defend the Marianas factories from modern labor standards.

The conditions endured by the women workers in the islands ought to have shocked any religious conscience. Swindled, starved and overworked, many of them were ultimately forced into prostitution—and when they got pregnant, they were forced to endure abortions. Young women who arrived expecting to work in restaurants found themselves suddenly hustled into topless bars, where they were coerced into drinking and having sex with customers. And they often were deprived of the money paid by the johns.

Promoted by Mr. DeLay and Mr. Abramoff as a libertarian utopia, the islands were actually a sinkhole of indentured slavery and sex tourism. Enchanted by all the easy money and free vacations, however, those Washington worthies and their friends disregarded the suffering.

With sweatshops, whorehouses and casinos as the commercial underpinnings of their little empire, and with their thuggish approach to campaigns and debates, the DeLay crew seems reminiscent of the old Cosa Nostra. Yet such unsavory parallels don’t disturb the right-wing establishment. Rallying behind Mr. DeLay are the Family Research Council, the Heritage Foundation, the Free Congress Foundation, the American Conservative Union and the rest of the "movement," with everyone fervently declaring, amid displays of piety and indignation, that his defense is their next great crusade.

If and when the Hammer falls, their credibility will crash with him.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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