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Since there are SO many deep thinkers on this forum. Think deeply about this... The precedent, that a casual, offhand, generally non-specific remark about death, that in no way contained any exact language, about someone elses way of demise, which was only corroborated, by the person (and a member of his family) that stood to gain financially, and with NOTHING in writing by her, stands up in court. You better be VERY careful about what you say around your spouse. They could legally torture you and then kill you, all by stating that you really wanted to die this way. Are you worth alot of money? Did you think the affair you had, went unnoticed? Have an accident, you'll find out. Even if you never made a statement about how you want to die, that won't deter them at all in eliminating you. Pretty handy huh? You only need someones word, to determine their fate, you don't even need proof of any kind. Couldn't get much easier than that.

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Your the view of a marital relationship is rather "interesing", if not bleak. In your world, couples would be better off not sharing their thoughts and that a lawyer should constantly be "in the wings" to make sure everything is legal.

Did your parents have a bitter divorce, or yourself? Were you the victim of abuse by your spouse? If you're currently in a relationship, you might want to consider seeking some professional help, particularly with the wonderful medications available. If you're not, perhaps that's the best thing until you do.
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RE: Be REAL careful what you say to your spouse!

You might want to give us a excerpt posting or materiel quote to reference there, SKlasse.
I saw on Law and Order just the other day that spousal communication was privelaged by constitutional right and not admissable as evidence (so it's got to be true, right?).

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Hmmmm -- I won't mention any names, but someone seems to have an obsession...

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...traumatized by the headlines. Dude needs a FoxBlocker, bad.
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I told my spouse that I am a lesbian because I love women.[:D][8D]

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Come now, folks, its obvious SCLASSE has a lot to fear here.

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Hopefully SCLASS is just pulling our chains. He really can't be that whacked out of his freakin' mind can he?

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I told Mrs. AZ that in the event of a persistant vegitative state I want to live long enough to consume all of our assets and then some.....Ofcourse that is in the event of HER vegitative state![:D][:D][:D]



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S-KLASSE8 - 3/27/2005 10:39 PM

Since there are SO many deep thinkers on this forum. Think deeply about this... The precedent, that a casual, offhand, generally non-specific remark about death, that in no way contained any exact language, about someone elses way of demise, which was only corroborated, by the person (and a member of his family) that stood to gain financially, and with NOTHING in writing by her, stands up in court. You better be VERY careful about what you say around your spouse. They could legally torture you and then kill you, all by stating that you really wanted to die this way. Are you worth alot of money? Did you think the affair you had, went unnoticed? Have an accident, you'll find out. Even if you never made a statement about how you want to die, that won't deter them at all in eliminating you. Pretty handy huh? You only need someones word, to determine their fate, you don't even need proof of any kind. Couldn't get much easier than that.
Since they have been shooting her up with morphine, I can't see how she is being "tortured". BTW, here's the real story:


O'Reilly badgered attorney with false claim about Schiavo trial

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Fox News host Bill O'Reilly repeatedly suggested that his guest, attorney Michael Gross, was incorrect when Gross claimed that witnesses other than Michael Schiavo had testified that Terri Schiavo would not want to be kept alive in a persistent vegetative state. In fact, Judge George W. Greer noted in a post-trial order from 2000 that in addition to Michael Schiavo, his brother and sister-in-law also testified that Terri Schiavo would not want to be kept alive.

During the March 22 edition of The O'Reilly Factor, Gross said that the courts decided that removing her feeding tube would have been Terri Schiavo's choice. O'Reilly challenged that conclusion, claiming that the state's action was based on "the word of one man":

GROSS: And all that was decided by the Florida courts here and affirmed in every court that it was heard in was that she expressed her will. So --

O'REILLY: But how do we know that other than the word of one man?

GROSS: It wasn't the word of one man. You haven't read the trial transcript. There were many, many witnesses. And 11 courts, including six federal courts, reviewed the procedure and found the process was fair.

O'REILLY: Counselor -- counselor, name one human being outside of Michael Schiavo who testified that Terri Schiavo directly said I don't want any life support.

GROSS: What you're suggesting --

O'REILLY: Counselor, name one human being.

GROSS: OK. There were others, Bill.

O'REILLY: Who?

GROSS: Bill, I tell --

O'REILLY: Who? You read the court transcript. Who?

GROSS: Yes, yes. I want you to hear my answer.

O'REILLY: There weren't any others.

Gross tried to move the discussion to the law of the case, but O'Reilly pressed on the testimony:

O'REILLY: I don't want to talk about the law --

GROSS: Here --

O'REILLY: -- because that's been lit -- that's been talked about to death, but there aren't any others, as far as I know -- maybe I'm wrong. I don't think so I am -- that testified directly that Terri Schiavo said no life support.

GROSS: You are wrong, but that's not the issue. It's irrelevant.

O'REILLY: But you don't know. But you can't correct me, and, if you can't, we're going to -- I'm going to go with what I have.

Greer addressed this matter in his 2000 post-trial decision allowing Michael Schiavo to disconnect Terri Schiavo's feeding tube. Greer discussed the testimony of three witnesses at the trial -- Michael Schiavo, his brother, Scott Schiavo, and his sister-in-law, Joan Schiavo -- which he found reliable and led to his conclusion that "clear and convincing evidence" existed that this action was Terri Schiavo's wish:

Michael Schiavo testified as to a few discussions he had with his wife concerning life support. The Guardian Ad Litem felt that this testimony standing alone would not rise to clear and convincing evidence of her intent. The court is not required to rule on this issue since it does have the benefit of the testimony of his brother and sister-in-law. As with the witness called by the Respondents, the court had the testimony of the brother and sister-in-law transcribed so that the court would not be hamstrung by relying upon its notes. The court has reviewed the testimony of Scott Schiavo and Joan Schiavo and finds nothing contained therein to be unreliable. The court notes that neither of these witnesses appeared to have shaded his or her testimony or even attempt to exclude unfavorable comments or points regarding those discussions. They were not impeached on cross-examination. Argument is made as to why they waited so long to step forward, but their explanations are worthy of belief.

[...]

Also the statements she made in the presence of Scott Schiavo at the funeral luncheon for his grandmother that "if I ever go like that just let me go. Don't leave me there. I don't want to be kept alive on a machine." and to Joan Schiavo following a television movie in which a man following an accident was in a coma to the effect that she wanted it stated in her will that she would want the tubes and everything taken out if that ever happened to her are likewise reflective of this intent. The court specifically finds that these statements are Terri Schiavo's oral declarations concerning her intention as to what she would want done under the present circumstances and the testimony regarding such oral declarations is reliable, is creditable and rises to the level of clear and convincing evidence to this court.

— R.S.K.


Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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