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I've got a suggestion: Why don't you idiots stop reviving these ancient threads!
Thanks for keeping it going!

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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Passing a law to benefit one individual, not to mention to interfere in a case being adjucated so that one side wins over the other, is a violation of due process and is fundamentally unconstitutional. And you people wonder why I say this nation is creeping into fascism? What's next, a law to protect Tom Delay from being indicted on his shenanigans? Or perhaps one to prevent a lawsuit against an importmant campaign contributor.

Welcome to imperialism - we now have an Imperial Congress to go with our Imperial President. How are we to now trust the courts? Can a person go before the law, hoping for justice, against those who have powerful friends in Congress? Is one's day in court now subject to imperial fiat by the majority party in Congress over the rule of law?

When the talk around the office is about some reality television show from the night before or what mindless video clip you've seen on the internet...

I think we should all realize how mindless our lives really are and how something like this can happen almost overnight, when it's been a lifetime in the planning.

There was a time I use to discuss freedom and rights as an individual who was tired of being picked on as a group from under 25. But today, it's seem no one really cares about anything other than what benefits them and only themselves.

The additude of;
"well I'm just one person, what can I do..."
" what are you going to do, change the whole world..."
"mind your business and worry about yourself"

This reasoning is generated from fear of change or by authoritarians who have threaten them that could lose everything if they go against the flow.

What people don't care about is how the simplest things changes everything and everyone of us. Photo enforce traffic lights and citations, let logic and computers do the judging.

Online traffic schools, internet Courthouse dealings, buy/sell online, bank online, make payments online....etc...etc...etc... This is where the control began.

We are being trained to be lazy and no longer care to do thing ourselves, we even are fed DRAMA by reality TV.

The imperialism has snuck up on us, because we aloud it to. "Let the government worry about" meanwhile, we're too busy with our online interactions and reality tv shows to keep our minds drawn into emotions we've forgotten.

Struggle and Desire is what drives a country to keep it's FREEDOM, because it is EARNED. When our freedom is stretched and unlimited because of our laziness, we no longer appreciate or respect the struggle and desire to maintain and keep that the freedom.

We're all responsible...

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Cliche time! You get the gov't you deserve. Done.
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Ermmm.....okay. I have no idea how this can be spun positively. Someone please tell me it's quackery from a disreputable British tabloid.

Alarm at US right to highly personal data | UK News | The Observer
Religion and sex life among passenger details to be passed on to officials

Jamie Doward, home affairs editor
Sunday July 22, 2007
The Observer

Highly sensitive information about the religious beliefs, political opinions and even the sex life of Britons travelling to the United States is to be made available to US authorities when the European Commission agrees to a new system of checking passengers.

The EC is in the final stages of agreeing a new Passenger Name Record system with the US which will allow American officials to access detailed biographical information about passengers entering international airports.

The information sharing system with the US Department of Homeland Security, which updates the previous three-year-old system, is designed to tackle terrorism but civil liberty groups warn it will have serious consequences for European passengers. And it has emerged that both the European parliament and the European data protection supervisor are alarmed at the plan.
In a strongly worded document drawn up in response to the plan that will affect the 4 million-plus Britons who travel to the US every year, the EU parliament said it 'notes with concern that sensitive data (ie personal data revealing racial or ethnic origin, political opinions, religious or philosophical beliefs, trade union membership, and data concerning the health or sex life of individuals) will be made available to the DHS and that these data may be used by the DHS in exceptional cases'.

Under the new agreement, which goes live at the end of this month, the US will be able to hold the records of European passengers for 15 years compared with the current three year limit. The EU parliament said it was concerned the data would lead to 'a significant risk of massive profiling and data mining, which is incompatible with basic European principles and is a practice still under discussion in the US congress.'

Peter Hustinx, the European Data Protection Supervisor, has written to the EC expressing his 'grave concern' at the plan, which he describes as 'without legal precedent' and one that puts 'European data protection rights at risk'.

Hustinx warns: 'Data on EU citizens will be readily accessible to a broad range of US agencies and there is no limitation to what US authorities are allowed to do with the data.'

He expresses concern about 'the absence of a robust legal mechanism that enables EU citizens to challenge misuse of their personal information'.

Hustinx concludes: 'I have serious doubts whether the outcome of these negotiations will be fully compatible with European fundamental rights, which both the Council and the Commission have stated are non negotiable.'

The new agreement will see US authorities gain access to detailed passenger information, from credit card details to home addresses and even what sort of food may have been ordered before a flight. In addition, US authorities will be free to add other information they have obtained about a passenger, leading to concerns about how the information will be shared.

It has emerged that neither Hustinx nor the European parliament were aware of the final draft of the plan.

'If you are going to have this kind of agreement it should involve parliament and the data protection supervisor,' said Tony Bunyan of Statewatch, the civil liberties organisation that campaigns against excessive surveillance.

He warned that under the new system the data will be shared with numerous US agencies. 'The data protection supervisor and the European parliament are angry that they were not consulted,' Bunyan said. 'But they are also angry with a number of elements of the plan such as giving the US the absolute right to pass the data on to third parties.'

Simon Davies, director of Privacy International, another group that campaigns against state surveillance, said the new agreement gave huge powers to the US authorities. 'We have no guarantee about how this data will be used,' Davies said.

A spokeswoman for the Information Commissioner's Office in England and Wales said it would be discussing the matter with European counterparts shortly. 'We are working with the European Data Protection Supervisor and our other EU data protection colleagues to come to a joint opinion on the level of data protection set out in the final agreement,' the spokeswoman said.
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No, this has been boiling for the past couple of months. I am actually shocked that the EU is capitulating on this. Usually they have a strong respect for an individual's privacy.

The Paul Harvey part of this story is that, if we are requiring this kind of information about folks coming into this country for analysis, the amount of analysis on our personal data has got to be staggering.

So every magazine you have bought on credit card that had its barcode scanned is getting crunched somewhere. I would guess that the guys that bought Tactical Weapons Monthly and is on the DNC mailing list might, I gotta go for a few minutes, need to move some stuff.


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