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Its the Judges job to "INTERPRET" law...
And that's what they did. Then Congress decided they didn't like the interpretation so chose to make a new law. You don't see the problem with this? Odd that you're pro-turnip in this thread, yet anti-turnip in the other...

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Its the Judges job to "INTERPRET" law...
And that's what they did. Then Congress decided they didn't like the interpretation so chose to make a new law. You don't see the problem with this? Odd that you're pro-turnip in this thread, yet anti-turnip in the other...
Half this crap the Supreme court is spewing out is purely overstepping their boundries....these idiots are not elected...and these idiots don't have terms....what half of them are doing is making laws to suit their liberal agenda by twisting laws into something that doesn't even remotely resemble they law they are quoting in any way shape or form.

Its about the same difference if the Beastie Boys did an "Interpretation" of Beetovans 5th symphany and the liberals agrue its really the same thing.

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Name one example of the courts making up a law. I can cite two but you wouldn't like them.

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Name one example of the courts making up a law. I can cite two but you wouldn't like them.

Affirmative action............lots of others too...


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Are you old enough to remember bussing?
Bussing was not the result of legislation.
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Not imperial courts?

Imperial congress is an oxymoron.
No, it isn't.

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How come Bush doesn't receive the kind of attention attracted by the likes of Lincoln, Garfield and Kennedy?

Do you believe that? That it is okay to circumvent democratic processes when they don't agree with you?
No Bot i don't believe that,just surprised that there seems to have been no attempts since Ron caught one.Change in the cultural mentality?-i doubt it somehow.
Not a change in culture. More likely security.

Ever since the attempt on Reagan the gov has spent huge buckets of money for a large company of bodyguards and secret police to ensure the president is safe. It would save taxpayers boatloads of money if the president would just stay home. When he does go out to public events the crowds are so controlled that practically nobody can get close to him except for sycophants. It's easy to see how a person in that situation would lose contact with people--they never see or hear anybody who is not a complete suck-up.

I think there is only one solution and it is a path that this country will never take: devolve power from the executive branch to the legislative and to the separate states. That which makes the president a target is his power. Devolve the power and the target potential decreases.
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..... When he does go out to public events the crowds are so controlled that practically nobody can get close to him except for sycophants. It's easy to see how a person in that situation would lose contact with people--they never see or hear anybody who is not a complete suck-up.......
it might be his role model.



Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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Let's take a poll of Fox News watchers. Will all those who agree with Botnst raise their right hand?


Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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New York Times Editorial

Power Without Limits

The Bush administration, which has been pushing presidential power to new extremes, is reportedly developing an even more dangerous new theory of executive privilege. It says that if Congress holds White House officials in contempt for withholding important evidence in the United States attorney scandal, the Justice Department simply will not pursue the charges. This stance tears at the fabric of the Constitution and upends the rule of law.

Congress has a constitutional right to investigate the purge of nine United States attorneys last year. And there is no doubt that the investigation has unearthed improprieties: several administration officials have already admitted illegal or improper actions involving the politicization of the country’s chief law enforcement agency.

But the administration has been extraordinarily defiant toward Congress’s legitimate requests for information. The low point came recently when Harriet Miers, the former White House counsel, refused even to show up in response to a Congressional subpoena. Some of the questions she would have been asked might have been protected by executive privilege, but others no doubt would not have been. Ms. Miers had no right to ignore the entire proceeding.

The next question is how Congress will enforce its right to obtain information, and it is on that point that the administration is said to have made its latest disturbing claim. If Congress holds White House officials in contempt, the next step should be that the United States attorney for the District of Columbia brings the matter to a grand jury. But according to a Washington Post report, the administration is saying that its claim of executive privilege means that the United States attorney would be ordered not to go forward with the case.

There is no legal basis for this obstructionism. The Supreme Court has made clear that executive privilege is not simply what the president claims it to be. It must be evaluated case by case by a court, balancing the need for the information against the president’s interest in keeping his decision-making process private. Mark Rozell, an expert on executive privilege at George Mason University, calls the administration’s stance “almost Nixonian in breadth,” because of its assertion that “the mere utterance of the phrase executive privilege” means that “no other branch has recourse.”

The White House’s extreme position could lead to a constitutional crisis. If the executive branch refused to follow the law, Congress could use its own inherent contempt powers, in which it would level the charges itself and hold a trial. The much more reasonable route for everyone would be to proceed through the courts.

This showdown between a Democratic Congress and a Republican president may look partisan, but it should not. In a year and a half, there could be a Democratic president, and such extreme claims of executive power would be just as disturbing if that chief executive made them.

Congress should use all of the tools at its disposal to pursue its investigations. It is not only a matter of getting to the bottom of some possibly serious government misconduct. It is about preserving the checks and balances that are a vital part of American democracy.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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