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After reading this story:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/11/atlanta.shooting/index.html

I am convinced more than ever that we need to reform the jury system in the US. In Europe, they use retired judges and other experts as jurors. The judges are also the ones who pick the 'expert witnesses' instead of allowing the defense and prosecution to bring in experts who are paid to contradict each other. In the US, any bozo can be a juror. In this case, some bozo ended up causing a hung jury in this scumbag's first trial, and instead of being locked up forever, he gets to wander around a courtroom in the free world, and ends up killing judges and police officers (obviously the man is an innocent man) and is now loose in the community, a friggin scumbag rapist and killer. We need to stop this idiocy of allowing easily swayed idiots the opportunity to set scumbags like this free.



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Turn the U.S. laws back to 1948, and none of this happens. I guarantee it.
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Actually, this is the first courthouse shooting I can recall that involved a criminal defendant.

Usually it's the divorced father that shoots up the courthouse or the lawyers office.

It sucks becuase now the lines are going to be 3x as long to get in the courthouse.

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maybe these killings are just a coincidence but maybe somebody is taking notes on Iraqi insurgency... a week and a half ago in Chicago and now in Atlanta.. hmmm? the whole justice system is a monkey business anyway... it's not real justice.. bunch of crap, is what it is...



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Back in the 60s and 70s when books on the future, like Farhenheit 451, etc were all the rage, there was one called "Little Murders", which predicted the US would become a society where the main pastime was shooting other people who walked by your house.

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RE: Atlanta shooting raise big questions about criminal justice system

Elliot Gould and Alan Arkin were great in the movie version. Or course, who could forget Donald Sutherland presiding over the wedding. It's a quirky rental for those that want to contemplate apathy, gun control, government surveillance and religion.

As for jurys made up of experts? Not a good idea and unconstitutional. It would tend to shift the burden of proof away from the plaintiff or prosecution and put it more on the defendant.
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...As for jurys made up of experts? Not a good idea and unconstitutional. It would tend to shift the burden of proof away from the plaintiff or prosecution and put it more on the defendant.
Exactly right. Juries come from a fundamental assumption of government that citizens can run their own affairs. To decree that citizens are no longer capable of discerning justice is to assume that they cannot govern themselves. That is a short step from saying the government needn't be answerable to a pig-ignorant electorate, it should run itself--what better experts are there?
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After reading this story:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/11/atlanta.shooting/index.html

I am convinced more than ever that we need to reform the jury system in the US. In Europe, they use retired judges and other experts as jurors. The judges are also the ones who pick the 'expert witnesses' instead of allowing the defense and prosecution to bring in experts who are paid to contradict each other. In the US, any bozo can be a juror. In this case, some bozo ended up causing a hung jury in this scumbag's first trial, and instead of being locked up forever, he gets to wander around a courtroom in the free world, and ends up killing judges and police officers (obviously the man is an innocent man) and is now loose in the community, a friggin scumbag rapist and killer. We need to stop this idiocy of allowing easily swayed idiots the opportunity to set scumbags like this free.

Hung juries, are reletively rare ... To base changing our criminal justice system, on rarities, has no merit. THE VERDICT - DEATH BY LETHAL INJECTION

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