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This particular horse is dead, metabolised and now CO2, but isn't lying about your dick and lying about war/death/destruction/zillionbucks/[drone,drone] rather different, to say the least?
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NO! If you lie to me, I just can't trust you. Can I? Doesn't lying make you a liar? [?][:(!] Stick me with a fork, I'm done. (on this)

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Here's a brilliantly original idea: DON'T TRUST POLITICIANS.

I amaze myself with these bursts of insight.
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Don't lump me in with "those people" that put pecker head Clinton in office! You're right in saying the man(?)lacked ANY character. But to say he wasn't to be held responsible for his lies? He was. He was impeached. Only a sack-o-shit like him, would not be so ashamed, as to ever show his face in public again. How embarrassing........!
The point is that America knowingly placed a womanizer/liar in the White House. In a strange way, it would have actually been a shameful deception for Clinton to behave any other way once office was assumed. I didn't vote for him either, but we're all part of the process.

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Don't lump me in with "those people" that put pecker head Clinton in office! You're right in saying the man(?)lacked ANY character. But to say he wasn't to be held responsible for his lies? He was. He was impeached. Only a sack-o-shit like him, would not be so ashamed, as to ever show his face in public again. How embarrassing........!
The point is that America knowingly placed a womanizer/liar in the White House. In a strange way, it would have actually been a shameful deception for Clinton to behave any other way once office was assumed. I didn't vote for him either, but we're all part of the process.
You would consider it strange that a man could, by his own will, better himself? I thnk that is what we are supposed to do, to be better than is required or necessary. Especially a leader to whom people, especially children, turn for a model. Would it not be preferable to provide children with a model better than weak self-indulgence as the ideal? When I vote for somebody this is a characteristic that enters my mind. Role model.
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Anyone who votes for a middle-aged man under some deluded hope or assumption that he'll better himself during his tenure as leader of the free world is making an emotional decision entirely devoid of reason.

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Anyone who votes for a middle-aged man under some deluded hope or assumption that he'll better himself during his tenure as leader of the free world is making an emotional decision entirely devoid of reason.
Anybody who makes blanket assumptions about people is .....
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If you applied that same criteria to the selection of a spouse, you'd probably have been long since divorced. You never know what might happen but the most rational assumption to make IMHO, is WYSIWYG.

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If you applied that same criteria to the selection of a spouse, you'd probably have been long since divorced. You never know what might happen but the most rational assumption to make IMHO, is WYSIWYG.
My fundamental assumption about human beings is that 1) They wish to avoid harm to themselves and 2) They wish to avoid harm to others, except where that conflicts with #1. Sort of like Susan Calvin's robotics laws. But a lot more subject to nuance and error.

After that, I pretty much try to avoid making assumptions about other folks, especially on a general basis. You know like, "All those XXXX always act like YYYY." It is my preference to react to people on an individual basis rather than a group. There are times when it is convenient, though inaccurate to group people. Like I think the US gov should hunt down and kill terrorists. Now a sane person would argue immediately that I should define 'terrorist' very conservatively so as not to kill too many people by accident.

As far as assumptions concerning an individual's motivations, my general assumption is that everybody would like to do better than they did the last time. It is a useful assumption in most cases but often fails. Sometimes it is an incredibly naive, even stupid assumption. Like, I am not in favor of offering Saddam or Bin Laden a pass on personal redemption.

More often than not, when individuals are placed in a position of trust and honor they try to rise to the honor, realizing they don't deserve it. And I don't think it is a false humility. People often fail. But sometimes they surpass anything anybody would envision for them.

No man is ruled by his penis. Clinton is his own master. He chose to let his penis blind his intelligence. Some Rhodes Scholar.
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My fundamental assumption about human beings is that 1) They wish to avoid harm to themselves and 2) They wish to avoid harm to others, except where that conflicts with #1. Sort of like Susan Calvin's robotics laws. But a lot more subject to nuance and error.

After that, I pretty much try to avoid making assumptions about other folks, especially on a general basis. You know like, "All those XXXX always act like YYYY." It is my preference to react to people on an individual basis rather than a group. There are times when it is convenient, though inaccurate to group people. Like I think the US gov should hunt down and kill terrorists. Now a sane person would argue immediately that I should define 'terrorist' very conservatively so as not to kill too many people by accident.

As far as assumptions concerning an individual's motivations, my general assumption is that everybody would like to do better than they did the last time. It is a useful assumption in most cases but often fails. Sometimes it is an incredibly naive, even stupid assumption. Like, I am not in favor of offering Saddam or Bin Laden a pass on personal redemption.

More often than not, when individuals are placed in a position of trust and honor they try to rise to the honor, realizing they don't deserve it. And I don't think it is a false humility. People often fail. But sometimes they surpass anything anybody would envision for them.

No man is ruled by his penis. Clinton is his own master. He chose to let his penis blind his intelligence. Some Rhodes Scholar.
My take on Clinton during the campaign was simply this: the Jennifer Flowers story, taken from start to finish, told me everything I needed to know about the man. It wasn't just the affair, it was the string of lies that fell from Clinton's mouth regarding the issue. Had Clinton come clean after it was initially exposed, I may have retained a certain amount of respect for the man, but the way he handled it indicated a lack of self-respect and an utter disregard for truth. The man had held a responsible leadership role in the past, so the role of the presidency was more a change of magnitude rather than calling. I discovered long ago that core values rarely change after people reach a certain age, an age that Clinton was well beyond. In retrospect, I think Clinton did a fine job as POTUS except of course for his personal failings, which should have surprised no one.

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