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RE: Iran, Syria team up to confront threats

I don't exactly agree there silverA. Sad was an enemy to Iran but not so much to Syria... they all are Baathists after all.. I mean sure Sad was a bit loose cannon, he also had the same thing for Palestine/Israel (+ pipelines, E. river) but, the only reason Syria and Iran ever "co-op" was because of the Kurdish threats.... Sad helped them in Iran and Syria and Iran and Syria meddled w/ Iraqi Kurds... now they are on the same side for sure... instead of working them separately now the whole thing has another twist to it... like there needs to be more twist over there...

instead of pulling out the ambassador the ambassador should have been pounding the Syrian gov... now US has no real good way to even talk to the Syrians... isolating them is not going to help US with this... just look at the ol' bad hair himself... i can see that kind of crap coming out of the middle E next... sanctions only hurt the general populous



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RE: Iran, Syria team up to confront threats

I think you might want to check how closely Saddam and Assad felt toward each other (they hated each other) and how much fidelity either had for Baathist political philosophy (none).

All of the existing (Muslim) neighborhhood states cooperate on only two things, anti-Israel and fear of establishment of a Kurdish state. All of them have variously connived aginst each other, cooperated with each other and maintained multiple interlocking and contradictory secret agreements. If there were no Israel upon which all of those murderous dictatorships could focus their people's hatred and blame for every ill that befalls them, there would have been popular revolutions and wars for the entire post WWII period.

Lebanon (more accurately, the coastal communities from current Turkey to Egypt) has since recorded history, been one of the most cosmopolitan populations. Start with the Phoenicians and work forward. The most recent 100 years have been terrible for that area, resulting in large emigration to the western hemisphere from Latin America to Canada. Ted Kennedy's wife is 3rd generation Lebanese, for example.

The best thing the USA could do is to stay physically out of the area and continue trying to keep the Palestinians and Israelis on a path towards peace. If a successful accommodation there can be made, the great bogeyman of Israel will no longer allow the dictatorships to oppress their people and blame it on Israel.
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hey Bot, do you suppose Ted Kennedy's wife can swim? Or at least hold her breath for like and hour?




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I don't exactly agree there silverA. Sad was an enemy to Iran but not so much to Syria... they all are Baathists after all.. I mean sure Sad was a bit loose cannon, he also had the same thing for Palestine/Israel (+ pipelines, E. river) but, the only reason Syria and Iran ever "co-op" was because of the Kurdish threats.... Sad helped them in Iran and Syria and Iran and Syria meddled w/ Iraqi Kurds... now they are on the same side for sure... instead of working them separately now the whole thing has another twist to it... like there needs to be more twist over there...

instead of pulling out the ambassador the ambassador should have been pounding the Syrian gov... now US has no real good way to even talk to the Syrians... isolating them is not going to help US with this... just look at the ol' bad hair himself... i can see that kind of crap coming out of the middle E next... sanctions only hurt the general populous
Even though they both had Baathists regimes, but these 2 regimes were against each others through out the 1980s. The Syrians were responsible for bombing the Iraqi embassy in Beirut in 1985. They also joined the US side in the first Gulf War.

As far as I understood from the news, the US ambassador in Syria was called for consultations. She will return to Syria after that, but a date wasn’t set.

Even today, I heard the Iranian Foreign Minister Kharazi said that Iran and Syria are just collaborating, and insisted that they didn’t form a front of any kind. His comments came in his visit to Berlin.



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looks like the Russkies are joining in too..

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...I didn't know that about the Tedster. Muh man Ralph Nader is also the descendent of Lebanese immigrants--one our greatest living Americans, and he speaks fluent Arabic.
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...I didn't know that about the Tedster. Muh man Ralph Nader is also the descendent of Lebanese immigrants--one our greatest living Americans, and he speaks fluent Arabic.
That's true. Nader is of Lebanese origins.

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Are there many Corvairs in Lebanon?

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Are there many Corvairs in Lebanon?
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Who are they???

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Corvairs???
Who are they???
A Corvair is an old American car. http://www.leftwatch.com/archives/ye...00/000070.html

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