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Maybe I should tell you about the single Marlboro Light that I sold for $1000.
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This is an interesting puzzle that seems to be developing. Is one's pursuit of wealth always motivated by greed? Who gets to define when one has enough wealth? Why does he/she get to design that threshold?

Greed: execessive or reprehensible acquisitivness; see also avarice.

The definition assumes that there exists reasonable acquisitivness. Where does that leave us? Can I decide that KV or Bot has enough when I say and take the remainder for myself and others?
It's my opinion that greed only takes you so far. Once you've accumulated a certain amount of wealth, greed is no longer a strong motivator. As some point, you either kick back and enjoy the fruits of your labor or the power gene kicks in. The big players aren't necessarily in it for the money, they're in it for power. I worked for a family like that once (father and two sons). I was young and naive and it took me a little while to understand their motivation was no longer money.

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The modern conservative movement, which is mis-named in my opinion - it should be called the oligarchist movement, claims to be the "values" movement, values which are supposedly derived at Christianity. I am merely pointing out how laughable that assumption is with all the "greed is good" talk going on in this thread. I'm not trying to single anyone out - I am only attempting to show the base contradictions in the philosophy of so-called conservatives.

The oligarchists of the Middle Ages thought the same way - the noble lords and such justoified their rape of the poor on the fact that a better world awaited them after they died - an idea that is the Jungian archtype of modern conservative-oligarchs. I think socialists and "liberals" are simply people who have come to a conclusion - that there is no afterlife, this is all we are gonna get, so the moral thing to do is to make it as comfortable as possible for the poor and the aged, while the immoral thing to do is to ignore their plight in order to maximize one's own luxurious lifestyle. I think the Europeans have recognized this as a society, while we no longer wish too. The oddest thing is that in the end, the Atheist Left ends up being the ones closely practicing the words of Christ while denying his existence, while the Right, the supposed "values" crowd don't follow his words at all.



Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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The labeling thing.

When we label folks it packages them neatly for disposal.

I doubt there is anybody on this planet that is a perfectly symmetrical this or that. Most people in the USA are tolerant of a wide range of cultures and political views, else we'd have self-destructed a coupel centuries ago. There are just so many different types of people. When I hear or see somebody say or write, "All Catholics,,,", "All, Jews...", "All Muslims...", "All socialists...", "All Democrats...", "All Mercedes owners..." it tells me more about the speaker than it does about the people he has labeled.
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Darn, I left out "All assholes"

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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What would you call people who are not homeless, yet aspire to earn more money than they currently do? I'd call 'em greedy bastards, myself...

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Maybe I should tell you about the single Marlboro Light that I sold for $1000.
Let me guess: In a desert with a handful of other guys, bored shirtless, and down to one cig between you all? Jeb Bush would toss you in jail for profiteering!
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Darn, I left out "All assholes"
Like I said....
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The modern conservative movement, which is mis-named in my opinion - it should be called the oligarchist movement, claims to be the "values" movement, values which are supposedly derived at Christianity. I am merely pointing out how laughable that assumption is with all the "greed is good" talk going on in this thread. I'm not trying to single anyone out - I am only attempting to show the base contradictions in the philosophy of so-called conservatives.

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More accurately, I would say that a true Liberal would not only believe as you have suggested, but would compel others to act as he (the Lib.) believes.

Where does your nomenclature put those who believe in the beneficent providence to the poor but tempered by free will?

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The oddest thing is that in the end, the Atheist Left ends up being the ones closely practicing the words of Christ while denying his existence, while the Right, the supposed "values" crowd don't follow his words at all.

Can I just add to that post that the Atheists that I know (inc. me) don't deny the existence of Jesus Christ, we deny the existence of God. Jesus was a man, not the Son of God IMHO

Religion is just another way to control people. It's an outdated method as far as I'm concerned.
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