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Howard Dean, Ann Coulter, AND Ward Chirchill, all on one thread! This is a true miracle.

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If Ward Churchill loses his job teaching at the University of Colorado, he could end up giving Howard Dean a real run for his money to head the Democratic National Committee.

Churchill already has a phony lineage and phony war record — just like John Kerry! (Someone should also check out Churchill's claim that he spent Christmas 1968 at Wounded Knee.) In 1983, Churchill met with Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi and later felt it necessary to announce that his group, the American Indian Movement, "has not requested arms from the Libyan government." In 1997, he was one of the "witnesses" who spoke at a "Free Mumia" event in Philadelphia on behalf of convicted cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal.

Come to think of it, Churchill could give Hillary a run for her money. All that's left for Churchill to do now is meet with Al Sharpton and kiss Suha Arafat.

Churchill's claim that he is an Indian isn't an incidental boast, like John Kerry pretending to be Irish. It is central to his career, his writing, his political activism. Churchill has been the co-director of the American Indian Movement of Colorado, the vice chairperson of the American Indian "Anti-Defamation" Council, and an associate professor and coordinator of American Indian Studies at the University of Colorado.

By Churchill's own account, a crucial factor in his political development was "being an American Indian referred to as 'chief' in a combat unit" in Vietnam, which made him sad. This is known to con men everywhere as a "two-fer."

In addition to an absence of evidence about his Indian heritage, there is an absence of evidence that he was in combat in Vietnam. After the POW Network revealed that Churchill had never seen combat, he countered with this powerful argument: "They can say whatever the hell they want. That's confidential information, and I've never ordered its release from the Department of Defense. End of story." Maybe we should ask John Kerry to help Churchill fill out a form 180.

In one of his books, "Struggle for the Land," Churchill advances the argument that one-third of America is the legal property of Indians. And if you believe Churchill is a real Indian, he also happens to be part owner of the Brooklyn Bridge.

In his most famous oeuvre, the famed 9/11 essay calling the 9/11 World Trade Center victims "little Eichmanns," he said "Arab terrorists" — his quotes — had simply "responded to the massive and sustained American terror bombing of Iraq" by giving Americans "a tiny dose of their own medicine."

Having blurted out "Iraq" in connection with 9/11 in a moment of pique, Churchill had to backpedal when the anti-war movement needed to argue that Iraq had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Arab terrorism. He later attached an "Addendum" to the essay saying that the 9/11 attack was not only payback for Iraq, but also for various other of this country's depredations especially against "real Indians" (of which he is not one).

In light of the fact that Churchill's entire persona, political activism, curriculum vitae, writings and university positions are based on his claim that he's an Indian, it's rather churlish of him to complain when people ask if he really is one. But whenever he is questioned about his heritage, Churchill rails that inquiries into his ancestry are "absolutely indefensible."

Churchill has gone from claiming he is one-eighth Indian "on a good day" to claiming he is "three-sixteenths Cherokee," to claiming he is one-sixty-fourth Cherokee through a Revolutionary War era ancestor named Joshua Tyner. (At least he's not posing as a phony Indian math professor.) A recent investigation by The Denver Post revealed that Tyner's father was indeed married to a Cherokee. But that was only after Joshua's mother –- and Churchill's relative -– was scalped by Indians.

By now, all that's left of Churchill's claim to Indian ancestry is his assertion: "It is just something that was common knowledge in my family." (That, and his souvenir foam-rubber "tommyhawk" he bought at Turner Field in Atlanta.)

Over the years, there were other subtle clues the university might have noticed.

Churchill is not in the tribal registries kept since the 1800s by the federal government.

No tribe will enroll him –- a verification process Churchill dismisses as "poodle papers" for Indians.

In 1990, Churchill was forced to stop selling his art as "Indian art" under federal legislation sponsored by then-representative — and actual Indian! — Ben Nighthorse Campbell, that required Indian artists to establish that they are accepted members of a federally recognized tribe. Churchill responded by denouncing the Indian artist who had exposed him. (Hey, does anybody need 200 velvet paintings of Elvis playing poker with Crazy Horse?)

In the early '90s, he hoodwinked an impecunious Cherokee tribe into granting him an "associate membership" by telling them he "wrote some books and was a big-time author." A tribal spokeswoman explained: He "convinced us he could help our people." They never heard from him again — yet another treaty with the Indians broken by the white man. Soon thereafter, the tribe stopped offering "associate memberships."

A decade ago, Churchill was written up in an article in News From Indian Country, titled, "Sovereignty and Its Spokesmen: The Making of an Indian." The article noted that Churchill had claimed membership in a scrolling series of Indian tribes, but over "the course of two years, NFIC hasn't been able to confirm a single living Indian relative, let alone one real relative that can vouch for his tribal descent claim."

When real Indians complained to Colorado University in 1994 that a fake Indian was running their Indian Studies program, a spokeswoman for the CU president said the university needed "to determine if the position was designated for a Native American. And I can't answer that right now." Apparently it was answered in Churchill's favor since he's still teaching.

If he's not an Indian, it's not clear what Churchill does have to offer a university. In his book, "A Little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in the Americas, 1492 to the Present," Churchill denounces Jews for presuming to imagine the Holocaust was unique. In the chapter titled "Lie for Lie: Linkages between Holocaust Deniers and Proponents of the Uniqueness of the Jewish Experience in World War II," Churchill calls the Third Reich merely "a crystallization" of Christopher Columbus' ravages of his people (if he were an Indian).

His research apparently consisted of watching the Disney movie "Pocahontas," which showed that the Indians meant the European settlers no harm. (That's if you don't count the frequent scalpings.)

Even the credulous Nation magazine -– always on red alert for tales of government oppression –- dismissed Churchill's 1988 book "Agents of Repression" about Cointelpro-type operations against the American Indian Movement, saying the book "does not give much new information" and "even a reader who is inclined to believe their allegations will want more evidence than they provide." If The Nation won't buy your anti-U.S. government conspiracy theories, Kemosabe, it's probably time to pack up the old teepee and hit the trail of tears.

In response to the repeated complaints from Indians that a phony Indian was running CU's Indian Studies program, Churchill imperiously responded: "Guess what that means, guys? I'm not taking anyone's job, there wouldn't be an Indian Studies program if I wasn't coordinating it. ... They won't give you a job just because you have the paper." This white man of English and Swiss-German descent apparently believes there are no actual Indians deserving of his position at CU. (No wonder the Indians aren't crazy about him.)

As long as we're all agreed that there are some people who don't deserve jobs at universities, why isn't Churchill one of them?

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What a nasty little hypocrite. Coulter, who wrote the book "Slander" makes the assertion that Churchill would be the democrats choice to run the DNC. I can see why she is a hero to all the nasty little fascists who enjoy her work.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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"...nasty little fascists...". Oooooo, I love it when you talk dirty!!
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Compare the vitriolic anti-Jewsih hyperbole of Mein Kampf, and the way Hitler described the Jews. Now examine Ms. Coulter's rantings about liberals:

Evil
Traitors
Cowards
Stupid
Slanderers
We can't be reasoned with, only harangued and intimidated.
We are the eternal enemy.

Who is talking in the statements above? Hitler or Coulter? If you said "both" you win the banana.

Then we have Furher Worship. In Coulter's worship of Bush we can see similar fascist tendencies. She insists that all Americans must blindly support the president. No criticism can be allowed. Those who do criticize Bush are called "traitors." Leader worship was a central Nazi ideology.

"Why would anybody say 'no' to __________? He is the symbol of our freedom and of our future. "

Who said that? Goebbels or Coulter? Who goes in the blank, Hitler or Bush?"

Patriotism for Coulter means unthinking obedience to our Fuhrer, er, President. If the Democrats were put into concentration camps tomorrow, and a one party fascist state came into power based on American Neo-Nazism (aka "conservative principles") she would be the first person to print, cheering it on. The women is a sniveling little fascist pig.



Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Let's play "guess the fascist". The word "Liberal" and "Jew" are interchangeable. Guess which goes where, and who wrote it, Hitler or Coulter!

The choices: Hitler writing in Mein Kampf or Coulter writing in her book "Slander"

Anyone who picks up a __________ newspaper in the morning and does not see himself slandered in it has not made profitable use of the day.

Every ________ slander and every _______ lie is a scar of honor on the body of our fallen soldiers.

Since the ________ is not the attacked but the attacker, not only anyone who attacks passes as his enemy, but also anyone who resists him. Since the Jew is not the attacked but the attacker, not only anyone who attacks passes as his enemy, but also anyone who resists him. But the means with which he seeks to break such reckless but upright souls is not honest warfare, but lies and slander.

The foremost connoisseurs of this truth regarding the possibilities in the use of falsehood and slander have always been the _________, after all, their whole existence is based on one single great lie.


Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Let's play "guess the fascist". The word "Liberal" and "Jew" are interchangeable. Guess which goes where, and who wrote it, Hitler or Coulter!

The choices: Hitler writing in Mein Kampf or Coulter writing in her book "Slander"

Anyone who picks up a __________ newspaper in the morning and does not see himself slandered in it has not made profitable use of the day.

Every ________ slander and every _______ lie is a scar of honor on the body of our fallen soldiers.

Since the ________ is not the attacked but the attacker, not only anyone who attacks passes as his enemy, but also anyone who resists him. Since the Jew is not the attacked but the attacker, not only anyone who attacks passes as his enemy, but also anyone who resists him. But the means with which he seeks to break such reckless but upright souls is not honest warfare, but lies and slander.

The foremost connoisseurs of this truth regarding the possibilities in the use of falsehood and slander have always been the _________, after all, their whole existence is based on one single great lie.
Conversely, I've read the same kind of things, written about conservatives......we're even compared to hitler and nazis. How tolerant is that? It wasn't long ago that the nation was being told of the high road of liberal tolerance. Is that tolerance for only the groups that conform to the liberal mindset? If so, then that fits within the parameters of Stalinist tolerance of dissident patriots. Who was eviler Hitler or Stalin?

I wonder if it's possible to have a disscussion of issues and thier merit/liabilities without launching into the extended finger, wide eyed labelling. NAZI FASCIST! PINKO COMMIE STALINIST! It's one thing if the nature of an idea or pattern of thought fits within the definition of a label, but really, how many of us are truely nazis in the sense that the accusation describes? How does lobbing nuclear charged labels enhance one's point?

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Time to bring in the NAZI word. NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI etc. ad nauseum.
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Since when did "tolerance" mean tolerance for fascists?

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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