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Kirk,
You claim this war is illegal; perhaps it is.
How do we bring charges against Congress for abdicating their Constitutional responsibility to declare war.
They voted to give the president the power in a way to give themselves political cover whichever way the wind blew. If the war turned out as predicted, they were all in favor of it; if it went badly, Congress could disavow it. If Congress fails to accept its responsibility, how do we hold them accountable? The dems who are now anti war, were afraid that the president would get all the glory and so are as much of the problem as anyone.
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I'm going to go with a different theory. The war was extended by the people who wanted to keep fighting. Not the people who wanted to stop fighing.

So if a POW has a gripe, maybe he should take it up with the war monkeys and not the people who wanted to end the war.

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Kirk,
You claim this war is illegal; perhaps it is.
How do we bring charges against Congress for abdicating their Constitutional responsibility to declare war.
They voted to give the president the power in a way to give themselves political cover whichever way the wind blew. If the war turned out as predicted, they were all in favor of it; if it went badly, Congress could disavow it. If Congress fails to accept its responsibility, how do we hold them accountable? The dems who are now anti war, were afraid that the president would get all the glory and so are as much of the problem as anyone.
Ballot box.

Oh yeah, we just had an election and their side LOST BIG! Lost Prez, Lost House. Lost Senate. Aside from folks wondering whether Kerry actually got wounded or whether Dubbyah actually showed-up for drills, most of the national debate was over Iraq. The voters clearly decided.

So now what do they say? The voters are stupid. Of course they are. Voters are always stupid when they don't agree with us, aren't they? Look how stupid they were--consistently stupid through all branches of elected national government.

Under those circumstances, a stupid electorate, lots of people in other countries and at other times have sought to ignore the will of the people through coup de etats. Makes perfect sense, you see. Obviously the electorate is not smart enough to be trusted to run the gov.
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...again, not stupid, just ill-informed/misinformed and distracted with messages of fear and loathing--but, you knew that already.
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And whose fault is that? As much as you guys claim that the president is good at propaganda, we still have a free press.
Perhaps all the arguments that seem so clear to you, are, after all, vapor.
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Zeit,
And whose fault is that? As much as you guys claim that the president is good at propaganda, we still have a free press.
Perhaps all the arguments that seem so clear to you, are, after all, vapor.
Free Press? Free Press!!?? BAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
You must be living in a cave! Are you sure you still have a pulse, you better check it fast! Our so called free press is under so much manipulation that it is a mockery of the name free press. Damn sheep!
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The way I see it, Democrats have been sore losers through out this election. Face it, W won fair and square this time. GET OVER IT!

Whats wrong with democrats??? Well, not everything but most of the things.

As a "successful" immigrant in this country. Coming from a poor back ground, my ancestors (grand fathers) have thought me:

- GO with the winners
- Hard work pays off, so work hard and don't worry about anyone else.
- The "rich & wealthy" WILL always triumph and WILL always have control and SAY on anything. The poor will always complain (because their not working as hard as you).

I followed these guidelines and I must say have done well for myself as a Republican.

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Zeit,
And whose fault is that? As much as you guys claim that the president is good at propaganda, we still have a free press.
Perhaps all the arguments that seem so clear to you, are, after all, vapor.
Fault? I don't have enough time to go into that rabbit hole right now, but it's plainly true that the vast majority of the public receives (passive) its "news" from televised sources, which are profit obsessed sensastionalism slingers--in short, garbage. The print media is generally thought of as having more substance, but the two "papers of record" that feed on and drive the terms of debate both issued mea culpas regarding their uncritical coverage in the run up to the Iraq fiasco...just extrapolate that uncritical meta-analysis to their coverage of most policy debates, and you begin to see a stunning lack of real choices amongst the major media playahs. Yes, there's still good journalism and content driven analysis out there, but one needs a steady and diverse diet (active) in order to stay informed and committed to holding up our end of the bargain within a representative democracy.
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Zeit,
And whose fault is that? As much as you guys claim that the president is good at propaganda, we still have a free press.
Perhaps all the arguments that seem so clear to you, are, after all, vapor.
Fault? I don't have enough time to go into that rabbit hole right now, but it's plainly true that the vast majority of the public receives (passive) its "news" from televised sources, which are profit obsessed sensastionalism slingers--in short, garbage. The print media is generally thought of as having more substance, but the two "papers of record" that feed on and drive the terms of debate both issued mea culpas regarding their uncritical coverage in the run up to the Iraq fiasco...just extrapolate that uncritical meta-analysis to their coverage of most policy debates, and you begin to see a stunning lack of real choices amongst the major media playahs. Yes, there's still good journalism and content driven analysis out there, but one needs a steady and diverse diet (active) in order to stay informed and committed to holding up our end of the bargain within a representative democracy.
Well said, Z. The shift in the media from a core of journalists with something like real values and independence to the swine of the corporate world has been most dramatic. A prof here at the U. of Illinois, Robert McChesney (I think is his name), speaks of it frequently around the country, and has written extensively on it. The information is out there, but much harder to come by. The public has to search it out, and most do not have time (or tell themselves that they do not have time). As a result, whatever plays on television is their "news," and what plays is dictated by what will sell. War makes for great television footage--remember the choreographed shock and awe coverage during the first days of the Iraq war, particularly on Fox? They even orchestrated classical music with the light show of high explosives.

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Funny how most of the media.....TV, RADIO and Print is liberal dominated.

Please keep up the circle jerk and back patting that you guys have been doing.

I want more conservatives in office.

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