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Since when did common sense become shallowness? Bush supporters concede the costs of this system wil add 2 trillion to the costs of social security. If it is going bankrupt, why don't we give them say, 1`trillion dollars, and save ourselves a trillion? The whole idea doesn't fail the dogma test, it fails the common sense test. Please explain to me why we should add another 2 trillion to the national debt so you can play the stock market?

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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The retirement age should at least rise to 68.
yes, we need longer unemplyment lines... [:o)]

i beleive that living beats working hands down... we all need a little more time to enjoy life... i'd possibly agree to work till 70 if it was a 4 day week... [;)]
I have to agree with that. Why do you guys in the US tolerate working ridiculous hours and short holidays? Are you afraid that on your deathbed you'll say 'I sure wish I'd worked longer hours'. Is it just some distorted Calvanist work ethic or what? I think we lazy bastards over here should be told.
I like what I do? I can't believe I get paid to have fun? WTF would I do in retirement, mow the lawn more frequently? Go fishing. Whoppee.

If I'm retired I wont have access to research toys, travel, and colleagues. Shoot, if I was busting at the seams with money I'd spend it to put together a team to do the work that I do right now. Think I do it for money alone? F**k that.

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You seriously need more hobbies or a mistress or something dude.
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I like the science and most colleagues but I cannot stand the stupid bean-counting bullshit and PR spin that goes with it. I would most certainly not do my job for nothing. In fact at the moment it is really f***ing annoying me for reasons that have nothing to do with research. If I had the means I would be a gentleman naturalist (not naturist, you weirdos) with my own microbrewery and never set foot in a f***ing office again. I'd rather mow the lawn that sit growing a fat arse all day. Ahem.

Anyway, the point was HOURS and HOLIDAYS. Are you happy working long hours and taking short vacations? ARE YOU SURE?
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Every year for that past six years I've had leave left at the end of the year. We have a use/lose policy after 240 hrs. I usually donate the use/lose portion to a colleague who is sick, there are always plenty of them. This year I donated about 40 hrs. I rarely take sick leave since I rarely get sick. In addition to the things I love doing I also handle budgets and purchasing for my team and contractors. I do not enjoy that part of my job but heck, I don't enjoy that part of my home life, either. As long as the books balance and projects get completed on time, then I take it as part of the price of having a gov job.

Before marriage and kids, I traveled extensively and lived abroad. I'll travel again and live abroad again but right now I'm concentrating on raising my kids and being a good dad and husband.

My job brings me great personal satisfaction. My appetites are modest and easily slaked. I don't give a sh*t about time-off and I don't give a sh*t about advancement. I like the technical/scientific level and am more than happy that other people like mgmt. Good on'em.

I am amazed that other people look forward to doing something else with their lives. If your life is that freaking bad, why stay? Get off your dead-ass and do what you want to do. This is your life. There is no lifetime rehearsal. I cannot imagine living a life I didn't love.

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B., I think you are a lucky guy. I would really like to find a job as satisfyingly ideal as yours, but it isn't going to happen. I know enough about my profession to be reasonably sure about this. There are always problems generated by dysfunctional working environments that make it less than perfect - certainly for me, and for most of my colleagues too. As for what I REALLY want to do with my life, well, no-one will pay me for doing what I want to do (ha!), it's as simple as that. Realistically, I know it's a compromise.
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I went into business for myself to get away from all that. Here is what I learned:

Gotta Serve Somebody
Bob Dylan

You may be an ambassador to England or France,
You may like to gamble, you might like to dance,
You may be the heavyweight champion of the world,
You may be a socialite with a long string of pearls

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You might be a rock 'n' roll addict prancing on the stage,
You might have drugs at your command, women in a cage,
You may be a business man or some high degree thief,
They may call you Doctor or they may call you Chief

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a state trooper, you might be a young Turk,
You may be the head of some big TV network,
You may be rich or poor, you may be blind or lame,
You may be living in another country under another name

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a construction worker working on a home,
You may be living in a mansion or you might live in a dome,
You might own guns and you might even own tanks,
You might be somebody's landlord, you might even own banks

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a preacher with your spiritual pride,
You may be a city councilman taking bribes on the side,
You may be workin' in a barbershop, you may know how to cut hair,
You may be somebody's mistress, may be somebody's heir

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

Might like to wear cotton, might like to wear silk,
Might like to drink whiskey, might like to drink milk,
You might like to eat caviar, you might like to eat bread,
You may be sleeping on the floor, sleeping in a king-sized bed

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may call me Terry, you may call me Timmy,
You may call me Bobby, you may call me Zimmy,
You may call me R.J., you may call me Ray,
You may call me anything but no matter what you say

You're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody.
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.



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Ah, true indeed. Good old Bob.
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Gee, I don't know. I have changed professions several times in my life. I failed miserably once (financially, morally, ethically, physically, intellectually, ... shoot I guess religiously and fermentingly) and was pretty successful (finanially) another time.

Life is to be lived, not compromised or anticipated. It took me thirty years to find this job. The thirty years were hardly wasted--it's just that I finally found something that I am good at doing and enjoy and I get to eat. If you look at Bob's song closely, there's a message in there that is neither surrender nor subservience.

You gotta serve somebody, but you choose whom you serve. The power resides with the decider.
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If you look at Bob's song closely, there's a message in there that is neither surrender nor subservience.

You gotta serve somebody, but you choose whom you serve. The power resides with the decider.
Bot, do you suppose this is true under a brutal and murderous dictatorial regime as well as a freedom loving democratic republic?

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