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In the 50's 60's & 70's, there seemed to be alot of crazies in the world, both to the right & left. I mean when someone did or said something so henious as this Prof., there was some nut to shoot him in the head. Here's hoping some of the crazies come out of the woodwork!
We can only hope someone does something to that professor who so much deserves to be strung up from a lightpole to have the buzzards pluck his eyeballs out. And feast on his intestines.
Wow. Look, its okay NOT to take "Braveheart" as a code of government.
Oh come on.....that would make for great TV.....and at the same time test the loudmouths such as this college professor as to the strength of his conviction towards supporting the terrorists.

I personaly would pay to see him strung up on pay-per-view.

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In the 50's 60's & 70's, there seemed to be alot of crazies in the world, both to the right & left. I mean when someone did or said something so henious as this Prof., there was some nut to shoot him in the head. Here's hoping some of the crazies come out of the woodwork!
We can only hope someone does something to that professor who so much deserves to be strung up from a lightpole to have the buzzards pluck his eyeballs out. And feast on his intestines.
Wow. Look, its okay NOT to take "Braveheart" as a code of government.
I would pay to see that loudmouth professor strung up on pay-per-view.

We could see how strong his convictions are towards helping the terrorists.

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RE: WTF?: Prof Won't Back Down On Comparing WTC Victims To Nazis

Well this loudmouth prick of a college professor clearly is mentally deranged.......becasue if he isn't he should be jailed for being the most conteptuous asshole of the decade.

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RE: WTF?: Prof Won't Back Down On Comparing WTC Victims To Nazis

This guy (Churchill) gave a speech the other night. The news carried portions of it and other portions in the paper.

I gotta say, I'm liking this guy more and more. His position (that WTC was a natural and inevitable consequence of our ME policy) can certainly be debated, but I'm digging his FU attitude.

He basically told everyone "piss off, I'm not apologizing, I'm not retracting, explaning, or backing up"

They are attacking his views, attacking his geneology, his publications and academic credentials and he has a big "va fungool" for everyone.

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I would pay to see that loudmouth professor strung up on pay-per-view.

We could see how strong his convictions are towards helping the terrorists.
What happened to the "we have to get rid of all this politically correct speach on campus" republican chant.

Here is a guy as un PC as you can get. Shouldn't you be supporting him?

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RE: WTF?: Prof Won't Back Down On Comparing WTC Victims To Nazis

More attacks on college professors. this one from the Manchester, NH Union Leader editorial page:


Speech on campus:
Creating a climate of fear



CRAFTY COLLEGE and university professors have figured out how to intimidate their students and get praised for it. Thankfully, some students are no longer standing for this.

By manipulating public respect for the First Amendment, some professors disguise intellectual pressure tactics as mere expressions of opinion offered in the spirit of open debate. What they are really doing is using their positions of authority to bully students into agreement. And for this they often are praised by their peers and bosses.

Take, for example, Keene State Professor David Stowell, who has some 15 political statements (left-wing, of course) displayed on his office door. The anti-war slogans (such as “How many Iraqi children did we kill today?�) angered Shane Calchera, a veteran who happened to have Stowell as a professor.

Calchera alerted the college that Stowell was creating an atmosphere that amounted to harassment of veterans. If Calchera’s door had been plastered with anti-woman slogans, a student would have won easily. But making veterans feel bad about themselves by calling them baby killers is still considered OK on campus. Calchera lost.

Stowell, in turn, has filed a complaint with the ACLU, saying, “I was investigated because of my political views because someone objected to them, and that’s frightening.�

No, professor, you were investigated because you used your position to create a climate of fear. There is a huge difference between stating your views on your own time and using public property and a position of authority to badger people whose academic destinies you partially control.

Professors, no matter their political views, ought to act like professionals and refrain from political sloganeering in the workplace. It is a breach of decorum, even if done with the most innocent motives. It is deliberate intimidation of subordinates (students) when done with malice. Of course, removing open politicking from professors’ offices and the classroom will never happen. So at the very least professors ought to consider the effect their proselytizing might have on students who disagree with them and do it with the utmost tact — assuming they have any.

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=50586

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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RE: WTF?: Prof Won't Back Down On Comparing WTC Victims To Nazis

Gotta agree with Koop. While I think he has been milking a questionable Indian background, and what he said he wrote is not exactly what he did write, it sure is refreshing to see an independent thinker surrounded by AIM security guards, tell the state that's he's not going to change his ideas to please the Governor. Precisely what should be happening in a free society.
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RE: WTF?: Prof Won't Back Down On Comparing WTC Victims To Nazis

More attacks on college professors. this one from the Manchester, NH Union Leader editorial page:


Speech on campus:
Creating a climate of fear



CRAFTY COLLEGE and university professors have figured out how to intimidate their students and get praised for it. Thankfully, some students are no longer standing for this.

By manipulating public respect for the First Amendment, some professors disguise intellectual pressure tactics as mere expressions of opinion offered in the spirit of open debate. What they are really doing is using their positions of authority to bully students into agreement. And for this they often are praised by their peers and bosses.

Take, for example, Keene State Professor David Stowell, who has some 15 political statements (left-wing, of course) displayed on his office door. The anti-war slogans (such as “How many Iraqi children did we kill today?�) angered Shane Calchera, a veteran who happened to have Stowell as a professor.

Calchera alerted the college that Stowell was creating an atmosphere that amounted to harassment of veterans. If Calchera’s door had been plastered with anti-woman slogans, a student would have won easily. But making veterans feel bad about themselves by calling them baby killers is still considered OK on campus. Calchera lost.

Stowell, in turn, has filed a complaint with the ACLU, saying, “I was investigated because of my political views because someone objected to them, and that’s frightening.�

No, professor, you were investigated because you used your position to create a climate of fear. There is a huge difference between stating your views on your own time and using public property and a position of authority to badger people whose academic destinies you partially control.

Professors, no matter their political views, ought to act like professionals and refrain from political sloganeering in the workplace. It is a breach of decorum, even if done with the most innocent motives. It is deliberate intimidation of subordinates (students) when done with malice. Of course, removing open politicking from professors’ offices and the classroom will never happen. So at the very least professors ought to consider the effect their proselytizing might have on students who disagree with them and do it with the utmost tact — assuming they have any.

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=50586

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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RE: WTF?: Prof Won't Back Down On Comparing WTC Victims To Nazis

What disturbs me more than hyperbole from dick-headed profs is some knucklehead official in gov thinking he knows better. This is one of those very frequent cases when gov saying less and doing less would be a real blessing. If anybody that has a method for shutting-up politicians before they say something remarkeably stupid could make a lot of money.

OTOH, I have no problem at all with private citizens squealing and squalling and witholding donations. Or conversely, having a leftie conversion experience, drinking blue koolaid and giving a gazillion Soros dollars to wacky profs. Just so it's not gov, I like it that people get pissed-off by profs. Heck, at least you know the profs are doing something, even if it is stupid. Who wants a buncha aig-haids sitting around tut-tutting the quality of freshmen for fifty years on the public dole?
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actually I don't see his opinion as being all that dangerous as long as the opposite point of view has equal time/forum with the same audience.
That is how the process should flow! An intelligent debate should allow the discerning audience to dismiss the professor's garbage from fact.

But if impressionable students are never presented the counterpoint, then the following philosopher has expressed it clearly centuries ago...

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." --Voltaire

I guess this quote could be used appropriately to illustrate many of the subjects discussed in other threads on this OT forum. For instance, regardless of my political non-affiliations, I'd have been willing to wage war against Iraq based on a convincing (but possibly unsubstantiated) theory that showed their WMDs were a threat to us.

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