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‘If you don't take a job as a prostitute, we can stop your benefits'...

A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.

Prostitution was legalized in Germany just over two years ago and brothel owners – who must pay tax and employee health insurance – were granted access to official databases of jobseekers.

The waitress, an unemployed information technology professional, had said that she was willing to work in a bar at night and had worked in a cafe.

She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer was interested in her "profile'' and that she should ring them. Only on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal reasons, realize that she was calling a brothel.

Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.

The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centers must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse.

When the waitress looked into suing the job centre, she found out that it had not broken the law. Job centers that refuse to penalize people who turn down a job by cutting their benefits face legal action from the potential employer.

"There is now nothing in the law to stop women from being sent into the sex industry," said Merchthild Garweg, a lawyer from Hamburg who specializes in such cases. "The new regulations say that working in the sex industry is not immoral any more, and so jobs cannot be turned down without a risk to benefits."

Miss Garweg said that women who had worked in call centers had been offered jobs on telephone sex lines. At one job centre in the city of Gotha, a 23-year-old woman was told that she had to attend an interview as a "nude model", and should report back on the meeting. Employers in the sex industry can also advertise in job centers, a move that came into force this month. A job centre that refuses to accept the advertisement can be sued.

Tatiana Ulyanova, who owns a brothel in central Berlin, has been searching the online database of her local job centre for recruits.

"Why shouldn't I look for employees through the job centre when I pay my taxes just like anybody else?" said Miss Ulyanova.

Ulrich Kueperkoch wanted to open a brothel in Goerlitz, in former East Germany, but his local job centre withdrew his advertisement for 12 prostitutes, saying it would be impossible to find them.

Mr. Kueperkoch said that he was confident of demand for a brothel in the area and planned to take a claim for compensation to the highest court. Prostitution was legalized in Germany in 2002 because the government believed that this would help to combat trafficking in women and cut links to organized crime.

Miss Garweg believes that pressure on job centers to meet employment targets will soon result in them using their powers to cut the benefits of women who refuse jobs providing sexual services.

"They are already prepared to push women into jobs related to sexual services, but which don't count as prostitution,'' she said.

"Now that prostitution is no longer considered by the law to be immoral, there is really nothing but the goodwill of the job centers to stop them from pushing women into jobs they don't want to do."

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What's next? They legaise all drugs and some 75 year old guy is forced to become a dealer?[:D]
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This story smacks of Internet rumor.

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A brothel is difficult to distinguish from a bar? Scratches head......

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This story smacks of Internet rumor.
you may be right KV, this sounds so far out of line as to be dismissable. Does anyone care to substantiate this story?

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This story smacks of Internet rumor.
you may be right KV, this sounds so far out of line as to be dismissable. Does anyone care to substantiate this story?
That German woman should be grateful she doesnt have take a job as a member of the press.


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Hell half the welfare women are nothing more than baby factories giving it away for free making Joe taxpayer support them.....Its high time they be put to work and support themselves....its not like that judge was forcing a Virgin to be a whore.

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Hell half the welfare women are nothing more than baby factories giving it away for free making Joe taxpayer support them.....Its high time they be put to work and support themselves....its not like that judge was forcing a Virgin to be a whore.
I guess if she was an Iraqi woman being pressured by Saddam and his boys to be their sex toy for money you would somehow feel compassion for her. Enough to spend billions of dollars and thousands of lives to "free" her, right? What is with you and your bleeding heart for random Iraqis you don't know and your willingness to slit your aging neighbor's throat over a few bucks in taxes? How do you stand up and make it to the toilet at night with that severe lack of balance?

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Hell half the welfare women are nothing more than baby factories giving it away for free making Joe taxpayer support them.....Its high time they be put to work and support themselves....its not like that judge was forcing a Virgin to be a whore.
I guess if she was an Iraqi woman being pressured by Saddam and his boys to be their sex toy for money you would somehow feel compassion for her. Enough to spend billions of dollars and thousands of lives to "free" her, right? What is with you and your bleeding heart for random Iraqis you don't know and your willingness to slit your aging neighbor's throat over a few bucks in taxes? How do you stand up and make it to the toilet at night with that severe lack of balance?

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If you ask me Jim, and I know you haven't, this woman's plight (were it fact) is a perfect example of what can happen at the extreme, when one relys on the govt. for services.

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If you ask me Jim, and I know you haven't, this woman's plight (were it fact) is a perfect example of what can happen at the extreme, when one relys on the govt. for services.
Well, there are a lot of counter examples of extreme cases where, without government services to regulate those who have from abusing those who don't your free enterprise has been shown to bring us things like selling humans to other humans as slaves right here in the US of A. While I find the story of this woman in Germany an unlikely case as I believe it would be in the headlines and on national news were it true, I can also believe that it is only possible in Germany where law can be implemented like it was intended to govern machinery operation rather than human behavior.

Take your pick - mine is not with unrestricted free enterprise if I have to live in an extreme case. But as Grandma always told me, everything in moderation is better than none of something or too much of another. Jim
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