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After watching Farenheit 9/11, my views and opinions on Bush changed greatly. I see him as a man who lies. Not only to his own people, but to the whole world. And our prime minister has backed him all the way, making us some enemies that we don't need.

After the twin towers wen't down, Bush waged a war on terror and attacked iraq. Everyone said it was for oil. It is about oil. But not from Iraq. Bush has his eye on IRAN. He needed iraq so he can eventually station military hardware there and keep a close eye on IRAN. Bush claims he see's them more as a threat and for the first time, he will be able to have hardware stationed closer than ever before.

In reality IRAN has oil reserves that you can't even imagine. Don't be suprised when an excuse is given to the world by Bush for a need to invade Iran. Just like the so called intelligence from the CIA with regards to the Saddams weapons, which of course were never found. George Bush is a liar. It's that simple. And if we are not careful, he will lead our nation up the garden path.
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So you guys are just now figuring all that out?

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are you sure Mr Moore is an unquestionable fountain of fact?

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It really is a true wonder that England withstood the attacks from the Germans. Total blithering idiots!

LISTEN - We have pumped no oil from Iraq, though we are owed at least the amount we have spent on the war. The American public was told from the beginning that we would get the costs back. As for Iran, the young 20 to 30 crowd, desperately wants a Democracy and Western ways. Do you think they'll just give us their oil, when it is quite obvious that their oil is the path for their growth as a Democratic nation?

Go back to watching Benny Hill reruns.
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It really is a true wonder that England withstood the attacks from the Germans. Total blithering idiots!

LISTEN - We have pumped no oil for Iraq, though we are owed at least the amount we have spent on the war. The American public was told from the beginning that we would get the costs back. As for Iran, the young 20 to 30 crowd, desperately wants a Democracy and Western ways. Do you think they'll just giveus their oil, when it is quite obvious that their oil is the path for their growth as a Democratic nation?

Go back to watching Benny Hill reruns.
Interesting post. A few suggestions spring to mind.

It wasn't 'England' that withstood the Germans, it was Great Britain. Might seem like nit-picking to you, but not to me.

Iran: have you seen some of Mr. Cheney's sabre-rattling recently? And anyway, you could have said the same thing for Iraq, which to give you credit seems to true given the magnitude of the Iraqi resistance.

Benny Hill: this has not been on terrestrial tv for years, although it does seem rather popular in the US.

And as for the whole 50 million English people being 'total blithering idiots', when I see Tony Blair in power for a second term, I tend to agree with you that there must be a fair number, but the reality is that the majority are very firmly against the war in Iraq. We don't want our soldiers killed for nothing, we don't want your soldiers killed for nothing, and we don't want tens of thousands of Iraqis killed for nothing, we don't want to pour billions down a hole in the sand. In fact, it's for less than nothing, because the region will revert to medieval theocracy (via pseudo-democracy) rather than a secular state. Try reasoning with those headbangers.



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Michael Moore is a blithering fatass. F911 is propoganda pure and simple. Everything in that movie has been edited and slanted towards Moores personal views. As for oil, did we go to Iraq for it? I dont know. But let me tell you this. If we did go to war for oil, and thats a BIG IF, then im glad we did. Do you have ANY idea how chaotic the world would become if we had suddenly ran out? The human race depends on oil and without it I guarantee there would be apocalyptic like events unfolding all over the world as we speak. I know it sounds horrible to say that, but if indeed we were so hard up for oil, then im glad we have a leader with enough balls to fight for it. However I dont think the war is about oil. I think Mr. Bush went to war because he honestly thinks that he and the united states can give peace a chance in the middle east. thats my 2 cents.
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Please use Dan Rather for all your other facts
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Michael Moore is a blithering fatass. F911 is propoganda pure and simple. Everything in that movie has been edited and slanted towards Moores personal views. As for oil, did we go to Iraq for it? I dont know. But let me tell you this. If we did go to war for oil, and thats a BIG IF, then im glad we did. Do you have ANY idea how chaotic the world would become if we had suddenly ran out? The human race depends on oil and without it I guarantee there would be apocalyptic like events unfolding all over the world as we speak. I know it sounds horrible to say that, but if indeed we were so hard up for oil, then im glad we have a leader with enough balls to fight for it. However I dont think the war is about oil. I think Mr. Bush went to war because he honestly thinks that he and the united states can give peace a chance in the middle east. thats my 2 cents.
Imagine Bush saying that he wants to go to war because of oil. Do you think anyone would agree with him! I don't think. I think oil has something to do with it.

I also have to disagree concerning peace in the Middle East. As a person who lives in the region, I can assure you that the war in Iraq made the Middle East less safe. It unleashed this huge wave of suicide bombings like never seen before. It strengthened extremism that has major repercussion on the whole region. I hope it becomes a safer place in the long run, and also hope that there wouldn't be bloodshed on Election Day tomorrow.


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Michael Moore is a blithering fatass. F911 is propoganda pure and simple. Everything in that movie has been edited and slanted towards Moores personal views. As for oil, did we go to Iraq for it? I dont know. But let me tell you this. If we did go to war for oil, and thats a BIG IF, then im glad we did. Do you have ANY idea how chaotic the world would become if we had suddenly ran out? The human race depends on oil and without it I guarantee there would be apocalyptic like events unfolding all over the world as we speak. I know it sounds horrible to say that, but if indeed we were so hard up for oil, then im glad we have a leader with enough balls to fight for it. However I dont think the war is about oil. I think Mr. Bush went to war because he honestly thinks that he and the united states can give peace a chance in the middle east. thats my 2 cents.
Imagine Bush saying that he wants to go to war because of oil. Do you think anyone would agree with him! I don't think. I think oil has something to do with it.

I also have to disagree concerning peace in the Middle East. As a person who lives in the region, I can assure you that the war in Iraq made the Middle East less safe. It unleashed this huge wave of suicide bombings like never seen before. It strengthened extremism that has major repercussion on the whole region. I hope it becomes a safer place in the long run, and also hope that there wouldn't be bloodshed on Election Day tomorrow.
This is going to sound like an easy opinion to have coming from a person so far away from the danger and destruction. Isn't it true that to fix something one must generally tear it apart first?

I'm not surprised that things have gotten worse. I believe that is a natural course when embarking on improvement. It does seem, however, to be less than costructive to do or act in a way that encourages the opposition to continue to hang on rather than give up. To me, it seems Michael Moore and his ilk have served to perpetuate the very activity they wish to extinguish by encouraging the terrorist types.

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This is going to sound like an easy opinion to have coming from a person so far away from the danger and destruction. Isn't it true that to fix something one must generally tear it apart first?
That's all well and fine if it's your property to begin with...

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It does seem, however, to be less than costructive to do or act in a way that encourages the opposition to continue to hang on rather than give up. To me, it seems Michael Moore and his ilk have served to perpetuate the very activity they wish to extinguish by encouraging the terrorist types.
I agree to a point, but GW and his gang have done far more to encourage terrorism by proving that we intend to do our best to force our culture upon these people. Think how Americans would have felt about the U.S.S.R. coming over here and imposing communism upon us in the 60s. I see no essential difference...

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