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All drugs should be legal. It's none of your business if I want to spend my spare time hammering nails into my forehead, or drinking bleach, or taking 'drugs'. Why should you want to control my behaviour when it doesn't harm you?
i'm with you JJL, assuming we could guarantee that no innocent people would be ill affected by the users behavior.

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All drugs should be legal. It's none of your business if I want to spend my spare time hammering nails into my forehead, or drinking bleach, or taking 'drugs'. Why should you want to control my behaviour when it doesn't harm you?
i'm with you JJL, assuming we could guarantee that no innocent people would be ill affected by the users behavior.
I agree azimuth. If any crimes are involved as a consequence, then the law takes it's course at that point - DUI for example. Even from a pragmatic point of view, personal liberty aside, prohibition of narcotics has created vast criminal empires, forced those addicted into degradation and family break-up, and left the rest of us with the everyday criminal burden. There really has to be a better way, even if one rejects the 'legalise everything' stance. However, given the political and media capital to be made out of prohibition, I see no change in the near future.
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All drugs should be legal. It's none of your business if I want to spend my spare time hammering nails into my forehead, or drinking bleach, or taking 'drugs'. Why should you want to control my behaviour when it doesn't harm you?
i'm with you JJL, assuming we could guarantee that no innocent people would be ill affected by the users behavior.
I agree azimuth. If any crimes are involved as a consequence, then the law takes it's course at that point - DUI for example. Even from a pragmatic point of view, personal liberty aside, prohibition of narcotics has created vast criminal empires, forced those addicted into degradation and family break-up, and left the rest of us with the everyday criminal burden. There really has to be a better way, even if one rejects the 'legalise everything' stance. However, given the political and media capital to be made out of prohibition, I see no change in the near future.
our views on this are congruent. If I could add to your point about criminal justice, my position depends greatly on resonsibility. I think that requires merciless punishment for drunk drivers et al, who kill or injure. I think that plea bargains should be eliminated when a substance abuser/user causes injury to the innocent. I think that full sentences with out early parole and no judicial discretion as to the sentence are called for in these circumstances.

For freedoms to coexist with other's freedoms, there must be REAL resonsibility imposed.

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Oh yeah. It should be modeled on Marijuana laws. They sure worked.
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B., what laws were those? Did you have some experimental tolerance of hash that failed in some way?
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I thought my acidic sarcasm would drip down the front of your CRT and burn your keyboard.

"I am completely in agreement with you on drug laws", is waytooboring.
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I thought my acidic sarcasm would drip down the front of your CRT and burn your keyboard.

"I am completely in agreement with you on drug laws", is waytooboring.
Never underestimate my retardednessnessness.

But I vaguely recollect some lightening of hash legislation - in Alaska, was it? Seems like the right place to lighten up on lighting up, I mean who cares when it's minus 30 and you're nearest neighbours are grizzlies?
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I thought my acidic sarcasm would drip down the front of your CRT and burn your keyboard.

"I am completely in agreement with you on drug laws", is waytooboring.
Never underestimate my retardednessnessness.

But I vaguely recollect some lightening of hash legislation - in Alaska, was it? Seems like the right place to lighten up on lighting up, I mean who cares when it's minus 30 and you're nearest neighbours are grizzlies?
In Alaska, "I've got running water" is considered a pickup line.

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