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Must be hard to dig with that thing. She deserves our respect.

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It's easy to beat an IP ban by going through a proxy server, and furthermore there's nothing illegal about it. Heck, every time I tunnel into work from this very laptop, open up a browser window, and browse outside the company firewall, I'm doing the same thing. If I posted somewhere only from home, and got IP banned, this would give me a way to 'circumvent' an IP ban. *shrug*

I can't believe you guys are getting into a flamewar over this.
Personally I doubt forums engage in IP bans much because of proxy servers. I would imagine at IBM, at any given moment thousands of people are going thru a single IP to access the net via proxy. An IP ban would ban all of those users.

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Easy boy, I am not asking you for a job and don't start twisting my intentions. From the start if anyone follows this thread carefully can see that you have been adding more and more walls to this issue as to steer this argument towards your point if views or should I say your limited knowledge of hacking.
I did not insult you, yet you are berating me by making me sound like I need something from you. Let me tell you that you are not making your case as someone who truly wants an open discussion on the matter.
Just to make sure that you understand that if it is a credibility matter, that I had not pinned you in a corner about what you do with database analysis. On the other hand when it comes to hacking networks, please understand that people pour millions of dollars to understand and prevent attacks and mishaps. I happen to teach this stuff and most of my students are from the NSA. If you still think that I am some idiot off the street trying to make a point than you are wrong. However I was wrong starting this argument with you since you don't seem to respect people for their views, theories or facts. You really think that you are right on every count; I see a pattern with this in your other threads.

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I am not building walls - the original assertion made by Howitzer (who was the one I was referring to in the database programmer remark) was that one could get around an IP ban by spoofing an IP. I then stated that this is impossible, since sending a false IP means one will not get a page back. He also asserts it is something anyone can do. It's not the first time this assertion has been made, and I challenged it this time because I was part of a detailed discussion on the subject in an academic setting just a few weeks back. I'm still challenging it. Feel free to respond - your assertions on me being against other ideas would ring a little more truly if you actually posted one. I see no theories or facts in your posts to refute my assertions, and in truth I am eager to discuss the topic. Instead I get a black box from you and insults from the other guy, while I have posted three links to support my assertion. If you want a debate, then fro chrissakes, debate. This is an anonymous forum and for all I know, your credentials are in your head. If you want to approach this scientifically, then lets do so.

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Easy boy, I am not asking you for a job and don't start twisting my intentions. From the start if anyone follows this thread carefully can see that you have been adding more and more walls to this issue as to steer this argument towards your point if views or should I say your limited knowledge of hacking.
I did not insult you, yet you are berating me by making me sound like I need something from you. Let me tell you that you are not making your case as someone who truly wants an open discussion on the matter.
Just to make sure that you understand that if it is a credibility matter, that I had not pinned you in a corner about what you do with database analysis. On the other hand when it comes to hacking networks, please understand that people pour millions of dollars to understand and prevent attacks and mishaps. I happen to teach this stuff and most of my students are from the NSA. If you still think that I am some idiot off the street trying to make a point than you are wrong. However I was wrong starting this argument with you since you don't seem to respect people for their views, theories or facts. You really think that you are right on every count; I see a pattern with this in your other threads.
what you're saying is kind of like saying the earth is flat... i am interested in this subject also and i haven't seen anything definate outside of kv's posts.. shadow boxing??



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Ok, I am shadow boxing. Usually I am very helpful whenever someone needs information or clarification. All you have to do is check my posts on the w126. I like to pepper some of my posts with a little of my dry humor and i do enjoy using the forum. This particular thread has gone nowhere and I don't feel like I am really welcomed to say something that might enlighten this subject for some. I was reluctant now I am convinced that if I did try to put some info here that it will degrade to stupidity.
That said, I am not wasting my time on this subject again, don't ask me because you have already concluded that I am full of shit.
I will however post what I know on my website, you are welcome to go there and maybe learn something. Until I do, go shadow box with someone else.

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Ok, I am shadow boxing. Usually I am very helpful whenever someone needs information or clarification. All you have to do is check my posts on the w126. I like to pepper some of my posts with a little of my dry humor and i do enjoy using the forum. This particular thread has gone nowhere and I don't feel like I am really welcomed to say something that might enlighten this subject for some. I was reluctant now I am convinced that if I did try to put some info here that it will degrade to stupidity.
That said, I am not wasting my time on this subject again, don't ask me because you have already concluded that I am full of shit.
I will however post what I know on my website, you are welcome to go there and maybe learn something. Until I do, go shadow box with someone else.
Look, prof. I hear where you are coming from on Kirk. A lot of times he can be too strident in his opinion. At the same rate I don't see where everyone's convinced you are full of shit. I see an earnest desire to have opposing information presented. A desire that you have failed to fulfill.

If I was to get on a discussion forum and say that I can beat a C32 in my stock 190E with no supporting evidence, then I guarantee you I would get the same response. Unfounded claims are just that.. unfounded. And when you make them don't be surprised to be called out on it. The thread has gone nowhere because you haven't posted anything to move it forward. Hopefully once you've posted something to your website and others have had a chance to see it, this thread will move forward again.
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Ok, I am shadow boxing. Usually I am very helpful whenever someone needs information or clarification. All you have to do is check my posts on the w126. I like to pepper some of my posts with a little of my dry humor and i do enjoy using the forum. This particular thread has gone nowhere and I don't feel like I am really welcomed to say something that might enlighten this subject for some. I was reluctant now I am convinced that if I did try to put some info here that it will degrade to stupidity.
That said, I am not wasting my time on this subject again, don't ask me because you have already concluded that I am full of shit.
I will however post what I know on my website, you are welcome to go there and maybe learn something. Until I do, go shadow box with someone else.
I assume you're familiar with the concept of a 'self-fulfilling prophecy'?

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Ok, I am shadow boxing. Usually I am very helpful whenever someone needs information or clarification. All you have to do is check my posts on the w126. I like to pepper some of my posts with a little of my dry humor and i do enjoy using the forum. This particular thread has gone nowhere and I don't feel like I am really welcomed to say something that might enlighten this subject for some. I was reluctant now I am convinced that if I did try to put some info here that it will degrade to stupidity.
That said, I am not wasting my time on this subject again, don't ask me because you have already concluded that I am full of shit.
I will however post what I know on my website, you are welcome to go there and maybe learn something. Until I do, go shadow box with someone else.
I think you may have misinterpreted some of my comments to Howitzer, who decided to insult my professional competance, as meant for you. Myself, and I would imagine this applies to most people, when I find myself in a situation like this, I work twice as hard to make my point.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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professor,
i am not sure if that last comment was meant for me but i am totally open to learning. kv seems to be open to it too. that guy stated it best so no need for me to paraphrase it... i haven't concluded anything but it seems to lean that way at this point... i'll check your website sometime and we'll see what you have to say there.. i think it's us shadow boxing here btw... [:)]

ww even provided a suggestion...



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