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A constitution written by Shiite clerics is a prescription for civil war. They are in fact already demanding just that. In addition, the fact the Sunnis sat it out guarantees the Shiites a super-majority, meaning they can impose their will on the Kurds as well, who might as well not even show up. As I have continually said, this election is a sham because we outlawed the political party of the insurgents. As long as they are disenfranchised, they will fight.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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...i.e. Sharia

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A constitution written by Shiite clerics is a prescription for civil war. They are in fact already demanding just that. In addition, the fact the Sunnis sat it out guarantees the Shiites a super-majority, meaning they can impose their will on the Kurds as well, who might as well not even show up. As I have continually said, this election is a sham because we outlawed the political party of the insurgents. As long as they are disenfranchised, they will fight.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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How many parties are there? Each has an opinion and from that we now know with certainty some future outcome.

Astonishing crystal ball reading.

This is the same crystal ball taht said the electiosn wouldn't happen, that the people don't have a sufficient history of democracy, right?

keep going with that ball boys. You're entertaining me.
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Fascism on the Rise in America
Commentary by Amanda Osborne
Washington Dispatch
November 9, 2004


If one listened carefully on the cold and dreary autumn days of November 2nd and 3rd 2004, the death knell of democracy could be heard. Ironically enough, the death blow was struck by that most democratic of rights, the right to vote. Many of us exercised this right in a civil and democratic manner throughout the long day of November 2nd. As a result of that vote, we have, as a nation, voted away democracy and all it stood for.

The majority of our population voted for: lying as an acceptable political expediency; valuing oil over human life; nullifying the Constitutional separation of Church and State; an overextended military; empire building at the expense of other nations; torture; the abandonment of the Geneva Conventions which exist to protect soldiers; the destruction of the world’s environment; increased riches for the richest in our land; cronyism; suppression of civil liberties; heavy taxes for the middle and lower classes; unemployment and lack of jobs; an ever increasing deficit that mortgages the futures of our children; a minimum wage that fails to cover the cost of living; inadequate health care; inadequate education; the catastrophic destruction of federally protected land; isolationism; and the contempt and anger (not to mention incredulity) of the rest of the world.

And we voted against: rational and carefully considered thought amongst our leadership.

A solid blow grievously wounded democracy in 2000, when the outcome of the presidential race was taken out of the hands of the voters and placed into the hands of a Supreme Court more interested in partisanship than the Constitution. This time, we have no excuses. We have done this to ourselves.

We don’t need Osama Bin Laden to bankrupt America, our administration is doing an excellent job of it themselves. And we have now voted to continue that trend into colossal debt. If the Democrats are the Big Spenders, the current brand of Republicans are the Bigger Spenders.

How many people know that the Patriot Act allows the government access to our medical records? To searches without probable cause? That no one has been convicted of terrorism in this country despite thousands of people being detained? That our court system has been compromised by an ideology that puts partisan thought and sometimes rigid fundamentalism ahead of the Constitution? That public accountability of the executive branch has been lost by executive order giving presidents the right to withhold their papers from the eyes of the public? That Saddam Hussein receives better health care than at least 45 million Americans? That any status the United States held in the world of science has been crippled by creeping fundamentalism that won’t listen to what it doesn’t want to hear? That drugs are so highly priced due to powerful pharmaceutical companies and their close pecuniary relationship to the Republican party? It is that, and not any concern for safety, that renders drugs imported or re-imported from Canada illegal.

Fascism is on the ascendant in the USA, rising cloaked under the mantle of the Grand Old Party, the political party of Abraham Lincoln. He was a wartime president too, albeit a most reluctant one. The Republican Party has gone from the soaring oratory of the Emancipation Proclamation with its rousing call of freedom to the ominous words of the Patriot Act, traveling a tortured road toward suppression of freedoms we’d long held self-evident in this country. Is this what Democracy is? How have we allowed America to be reduced to this when it could be, and has been, so much more? The checks and balances this country has prided itself on have failed us. The scales have been unevenly tipped by too much power given to one group of people, something that world history has shown us time and again to be a dangerous thing.

Whatever happened to America? Where did we go? When did we change so irrevocably?

We have a war of aggression being conducted under the guise of a modern-day Crusade. Neither thing is the right thing to do. For all our vaunted sense of morality, surely neither thing can be considered morally responsible. And thousands upon thousands of people have died – perhaps even over a hundred thousand. Worse still, there is no end in sight, meaning many more people will die. Is this a morally sound endeavor? Is this the right choice, the right thing to do? Is our country the kind of country that takes trumped up charges and specious argument and uses it as a springboard for attack on foreign soil? That’s what Hitler’s Germany did to Poland in September of 1939 and that’s what George W. Bush’s United States is doing to Iraq. We rewarded this by electing him president unequivocally this time around. Have we become something closer to Hitler’s Germany than FDR’s United States?

Jerry Falwell appeared on CNN and spoke about the war in Iraq. He said in part, “The president’s doing the right thing. He’s looking for [terrorists], he’s searching them out. He’s killing them when he finds them. And that’s the only cure for barbarians.� He also said with somewhat circular logic that “you’ve got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops. And I’m for the president to chase them all over the world. If it takes 10 years, blow them all away in the name of the Lord.� When reminded that the terrorists who brought down the twin towers did not come from Iraq, he said “I don’t care where they came from.� Is this the definition of Christianity? Is it outmoded to view Christianity as something that shouldn’t be blinded by zealotry but instead something that opens our eyes to the humanity to be found in everyone the world over? And is there any reason why the USA should be exempt from international law? The United States is waging aggressive war against another country. Coincidentally, this was one of the indictable offenses the surviving upper echelon of National Socialism was charged with at the first Nuremberg trial. How is what they did any different from what we are doing now? Though certainly the lack of accountability of the upper echelon of the Bush administration appears safe enough, judging by the courts martial of low-level enlisted soldiers for ostensibly following orders at the Abu Ghraib prison.

“We're going to have to maybe use more than just conventional weapons on these people. You know, it's like trying to wipe out cockroaches with Raid. That's not strong enough. You know, you're not going to call the pest control guy and get rid of them.� Rush Limbaugh was quoted as saying this on his radio show, regarding the terrorist element in Iraq. Is this acceptable? Morally or in any other respect?

“[Rats] are destructive, a perfidious and subterranean element …� This quote is a little older than the ones in the above paragraphs. It comes to us courtesy of a 1940 German propaganda film called Jud Süss. The rest of the sentence is “… so also is the Jews among mankind.� I hope we’d more or less all agree that this statement, at least, is morally reprehensible. But all three remarks share a perverse commonality. Barbarians. Cockroaches. Rats. By dehumanizing the enemy, we make it easier to kill him. Joseph Goebbels understood this and indoctrinated an entire generation of Germans into thinking that the Jewish race was “subhuman� and therefore they didn’t deserve to live out their lives like any ordinary human being. My fear is that in our shock and anger following 9/11, we’ve allowed ourselves to not just dehumanize others, but to dehumanize ourselves in the process. Is this what our forefathers spilled their blood for? Is this democracy?

There have been calls to unify America, to set aside the divisiveness that has so marked this country during the presidential campaign. But it’s not out of some misguided partisanship that I write these words. I do not call myself a Democrat or Republican. Party platforms and partisan ideology have never interested me. I consider myself an American, first and last. I only wish more people felt the same way.


We have failed the fathers of our country, the founders of democracy. The lights have gone out and we’re seeing our nation’s darkest hour. This isn’t something done to us, but something we’ve done to ourselves.



Congratulations America.

From:
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_10513.shtml

Amanda Osborne is an artist and writer currently residing in the (mostly) sane state of New Hampshire, but Canada is looking better every day.



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hehehe, freaking relentless.... [;)]



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well, you need to be in Iraq to make some issues of whatever you want to call it. Yes, the situation in the sandbox is not perfect. But the majority of Iraqi people are happier nowsaday.
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the shiia majority... yes...



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