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but that's what neutralizes the territory in this case Z.



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Do you think that any three or four disparate cultures can come together to form a genuine community? Do you think that some commonality other than mutual loathing is a requirement for success? I do believe that success would be more likely if this experiment took place in neutral territory.
There are no guarantees. Our own is still experimental in terms of the history of human governance.

If the Iraqis think like the people of the Balkans, theyr'e doomed to permanent war. So far it doesn't appear that they wish to go that direction, but time is young, the jury is out and those dispicable Baathists are still trying to set sides against sides rather than embrace democracy.
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There are no guarantees. Our own is still experimental in terms of the history of human governance.

If the Iraqis think like the people of the Balkans, theyr'e doomed to permanent war. So far it doesn't appear that they wish to go that direction, but time is young, the jury is out and those dispicable Baathists are still trying to set sides against sides rather than embrace democracy.
I do believe that some significant point(s) of commonality are a requirement for success. So far I can think of only one, and that one doesn't bode particularly well for us. Besides, I don't believe that Sunnis will accept a subservient role during this or probably even their next generation. You've gotta know they're gonna go kickin' and screamin' the whole way. I also think it's a bit premature to make any type of assumptions regarding their behavior/attitudes until a stable situation arises and they become comfortable with it. Observations made now could be nothing more than the mental patient trying to convince the doctor he deserves a reprieve from the booby hatch.

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Do you think that any three or four disparate cultures can come together to form a genuine community? Do you think that some commonality other than mutual loathing is a requirement for success? I do believe that success would be more likely if this experiment took place in neutral territory.
The only commonality necessary to succeed is a desire for liberty.
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...and billions and billions and billions and billions of US taxpayer funds...oh, and tens of thousands of needlessly waisted lives...and an imperial legion of foreign troops, and...
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Do you think that any three or four disparate cultures can come together to form a genuine community? Do you think that some commonality other than mutual loathing is a requirement for success? I do believe that success would be more likely if this experiment took place in neutral territory.
There are no guarantees. Our own is still experimental in terms of the history of human governance.

If the Iraqis think like the people of the Balkans, theyr'e doomed to permanent war. So far it doesn't appear that they wish to go that direction, but time is young, the jury is out and those dispicable Baathists are still trying to set sides against sides rather than embrace democracy.
How can the Baathists "embrace democracy" when their party has been banned?

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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Do you think that any three or four disparate cultures can come together to form a genuine community? Do you think that some commonality other than mutual loathing is a requirement for success? I do believe that success would be more likely if this experiment took place in neutral territory.
There are no guarantees. Our own is still experimental in terms of the history of human governance.

If the Iraqis think like the people of the Balkans, theyr'e doomed to permanent war. So far it doesn't appear that they wish to go that direction, but time is young, the jury is out and those dispicable Baathists are still trying to set sides against sides rather than embrace democracy.
How can the Baathists "embrace democracy" when their party has been banned?
Probably a great first step would be for those murdering bastards to quit killing innocent civilians on their way to mosques.

You know, like we did with Nazis post WWII and with Japanese militarist post WWII. But only a complete f**king idiot would think it a good idea to offer power to people who were formerly in absolute tyrranical power and repeatedly have demonstrated an ability to slaughter their fellow civilians by the tens or hundreds of thousands.
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...and billions and billions and billions and billions of US taxpayer funds...oh, and tens of thousands of needlessly waisted lives...and an imperial legion of foreign troops, and...
And nagging reality makes and appearance.

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Do you think that any three or four disparate cultures can come together to form a genuine community? Do you think that some commonality other than mutual loathing is a requirement for success? I do believe that success would be more likely if this experiment took place in neutral territory.
There are no guarantees. Our own is still experimental in terms of the history of human governance.

If the Iraqis think like the people of the Balkans, theyr'e doomed to permanent war. So far it doesn't appear that they wish to go that direction, but time is young, the jury is out and those dispicable Baathists are still trying to set sides against sides rather than embrace democracy.
How can the Baathists "embrace democracy" when their party has been banned?
Probably a great first step would be for those murdering bastards to quit killing innocent civilians on their way to mosques.

You know, like we did with Nazis post WWII and with Japanese militarist post WWII. But only a complete f**king idiot would think it a good idea to offer power to people who were formerly in absolute tyrranical power and repeatedly have demonstrated an ability to slaughter their fellow civilians by the tens or hundreds of thousands.
Then why are the communists permitted to run? And as far as slaughter goes, doesn't that mean those parties that support us should be banned, given that we have slaughtered thousands of innocents ourselves? Isn't the real problem the Baathist idealogy ? Surely we could allow them to run, and arrest those who are guilty of crimes, while allowing those who are not access to the democratic system, could we not? Isn't that in fact what the Germans have done in the case of the former East German Communists?




Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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Do you think that any three or four disparate cultures can come together to form a genuine community? Do you think that some commonality other than mutual loathing is a requirement for success? I do believe that success would be more likely if this experiment took place in neutral territory.
There are no guarantees. Our own is still experimental in terms of the history of human governance.

If the Iraqis think like the people of the Balkans, theyr'e doomed to permanent war. So far it doesn't appear that they wish to go that direction, but time is young, the jury is out and those dispicable Baathists are still trying to set sides against sides rather than embrace democracy.
How can the Baathists "embrace democracy" when their party has been banned?
Probably a great first step would be for those murdering bastards to quit killing innocent civilians on their way to mosques.

You know, like we did with Nazis post WWII and with Japanese militarist post WWII. But only a complete f**king idiot would think it a good idea to offer power to people who were formerly in absolute tyrranical power and repeatedly have demonstrated an ability to slaughter their fellow civilians by the tens or hundreds of thousands.
Then why are the communists permitted to run? And as far as slaughter goes, doesn't that mean those parties that support us should be banned, given that we have slaughtered thousands of innocents ourselves? Isn't the real problem the Baathist idealogy ? Surely we could allow them to run, and arrest those who are guilty of crimes, while allowing those who are not access to the democratic system, could we not? Isn't that in fact what the Germans have done in the case of the former East German Communists?


All commies are the same and equally guilty? Cool, lets go arrest Zeitgeist and Kerry Edwards for murder. Those two are commies so they are responsible for killing 20 million Russians.

I can't believe you don't get it, KV. The Baathists in Iraq murdered people to gain power and stay in power. They murdered innocent people, children even. They gased them and threw people in limb chippers and pools of acid. The sons kidnapped women off ther street and raped and sometimes tortured them for pleasure, then murdered them. Their former colleagues are still attacking civilians and are trying their best to kill our own fellow citizens and our allies---and you want them treated as equal political partners. You're a better man than that.
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