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The communists even won a couple of seats in Iraq. How many communist parties hold elective office in Arab states?
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Bush to make $82 billion request for wars
Supplemental budget to fund Iraq, Afghan operations

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Updated: 1:27 p.m. ET Feb. 14, 2005WASHINGTON - President Bush was poised to officially ask Congress Monday for an estimated $82 billion to cover the costs of continuing military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and a myriad of other internationally related expenses, including training Iraqi security forces and aiding victims of the tsunami.

The White House was to send the supplemental budget request to Capitol Hill late Monday, White House press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters.

Included in the request is $74.9 billion for the Defense Department, including $5 billion for transforming Army divisions and brigades and $5.7 billion for training and equipping Iraqi military and police, according to a federal official familiar with the supplemental.

The remaining money in the supplemental request includes $950 million to help areas affected by the recent tsunami in the Indian Ocean; $350 million to aid the Palestinians; $400 million to reward nations that have taken political and economic risks to join U.S.-led coalitions in Iraq and Afghanistan; money to help build a U.S. embassy in Baghdad; reconstruction funds for Afghanistan; and money for the Darfur region of western Sudan where a 2-year-old civil conflict has left tens of thousands of people dead and more than 2 million displaced.

In a written statement on this issue earlier, President Bush had said the special appropriation would support U.S. troops and help the United States “stand with the Iraqi people and against the terrorists trying desperately to block democracy and the advance of human rights.�

Increased independence on the ground
The Army wants to use the $5 billion to convert 33 brigades and regiments — about 30 of which are organized into 10 divisions — into a force of 43 to 48 brigades that would operate more independently. “Instead of having the brigade communicate with their divisions and the divisions communicate with their higher-ups, all 43 to 48 would be allowed to communicate with higher-ups and operate more or less independently,� said Steven Kosiak, an analyst with the Washington-based Center for Strategic and Budgetary Studies.

Last Monday, Bush submitted an overall $2.5 trillion budget for fiscal 2006. That document called for restraining spending across a wide swath of government programs from popular farm subsidies to poor people’s health programs. Spending on the military, the biggest part of discretionary spending, would rise by 4.8 percent in 2006 to $419.3 billion.

The money requested for the military did not include the additional $82 billion, but administration officials point out that while it was not in the 2006 budget request, the $82 billion for ongoing military expenses in Iraq and the Middle East was built into the administration’s deficit projections.

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Still, the Blue Dog Coalition, a group of 35 moderate and conservative Democrats, known as fiscal and defense hawks, are criticizing the administration for using the supplemental budget request to ask Congress for more money to finance the war. Supplemental budget requests often don’t receive as much scrutiny and often don’t include the same amount of detail as regular budget requests.

“The Blue Dog Coalition recognizes that we must support our troops, but the Congress cannot continue to write blank checks,� the group said in a statement.�

Congress approved $25 billion for the wars last summer. Using figures compiled by the Congressional Research Service, which prepares reports for lawmakers, the newest request would push the totals provided for the conflicts and worldwide efforts against terrorism past $300 billion. That includes $25 billion already provided for rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan.

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and are stuck with the Kurds if they want to germinate their gov...



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The communists even won a couple of seats in Iraq. How many communist parties hold elective office in Arab states?
How many Baathists hold elective office?

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The communists even won a couple of seats in Iraq. How many communist parties hold elective office in Arab states?
How many Baathists hold elective office?
You do like moving those goalposts, don't you?

Probably close to the same number as Nazis who held office in early post-war Germany.
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The communists even won a couple of seats in Iraq. How many communist parties hold elective office in Arab states?
How many Baathists hold elective office?
none... not even in Syria... they tend to take office via coup-de-esta not elections...



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Actually, Syria is ruled by the Baath Party, and Egypt is ruled by another Pan-Arab party that goes by another name but is an ideological clone, as is the one in Libya.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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The communists even won a couple of seats in Iraq. How many communist parties hold elective office in Arab states?
How many Baathists hold elective office?
You do like moving those goalposts, don't you?

Probably close to the same number as Nazis who held office in early post-war Germany.
So Nazis should not be allowed to run for public office? What other ideology do you advocate banning, besides the Democrats? If you are going to advocate democracy, you really should understand what democracy is. It's a few pages before "hypocrite" in the dictionary.


Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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