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Sheer speculation here, but mikemover, webwench and many others are local members from the perspective of MS. That might afford them a certain degree of latitude, since a lot of these folks know each other or have at least met.
kv's sig "banned in GA" kind of sparked that idea in my head too... Mike seems to be trying to get to the bottom of this mess. He is exhibiting kv like doggedness....[:D]
Hey, I'm convinced my opinions on the history of the American South had a great deal to do with this. Considering the debate they had in that state where the right wingers bitterly defended their desire to fly the Southern Swastika on their state flag and shove it down the throat of its black citizens, I bet I gored somebody's ass good.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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My opinion has changed not a whit, nor is it at all inconsistent. Sorry.

Also, the people you're alluding to who were 'burned good' by your nasty little anti-southern diatribe were I believe me and MikeMover, and both of us have posted we didn't go to the moderators. Sorry. It's the people who are too chickenshit to confront you directly who will complain to a moderator, and you have to admit we don't fall into that camp.

And if I have any 'extra leeway' with engatwork as a result of having met him once (which I doubt), just figure it's counterbalanced by me having called Gilly a big fat meanie. Had he banned me, do you think I'd be over here crying incessantly about it like a teenager?

Don't you guys have anything better to talk about? It's just the internet. It's just one forum. Don't you have jobs or hobbies or something besides obsessing over the great injustice of being banned from a backwater car forum? Aren't there greater injustices you could spend your time on? How much do you really feel you need to puff eachother up over here?

I think some of you should put your shitty away, maybe lash out a little less against real and imagined enemies. And add a stinking tinfoil hat icon on this forum, you guys need one with all your talk about secret conspiracies.
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Sheer speculation here, but mikemover, webwench and many others are local members from the perspective of MS. That might afford them a certain degree of latitude, since a lot of these folks know each other or have at least met.
kv's sig "banned in GA" kind of sparked that idea in my head too... Mike seems to be trying to get to the bottom of this mess. He is exhibiting kv like doggedness....[:D]
Hey, I'm convinced my opinions on the history of the American South had a great deal to do with this. Considering the debate they had in that state where the right wingers bitterly defended their desire to fly the Southern Swastika on their state flag and shove it down the throat of its black citizens, I bet I gored somebody's ass good.
hahaha, you're probably right. the statments you made on that topic sure did score a direct hit. this was one of those topics i didn't exactly agree with you but could see your point. it went right for the heart and was pretty hard to defend... the south shall... well, maybe not...[:D][:D] but i think we should start by selling TX back to mexico.... [:0] [}:)]



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My opinion has changed not a whit, nor is it at all inconsistent. Sorry.

Also, the people you're alluding to who were 'burned good' by your nasty little anti-southern diatribe were I believe me and MikeMover, and both of us have posted we didn't go to the moderators. Sorry. It's the people who are too chickenshit to confront you directly who will complain to a moderator, and you have to admit we don't fall into that camp.

And if I have any 'extra leeway' with engatwork as a result of having met him once (which I doubt), just figure it's counterbalanced by me having called Gilly a big fat meanie. Had he banned me, do you think I'd be over here crying incessantly about it like a teenager?

Don't you guys have anything better to talk about? It's just the internet. It's just one forum. Don't you have jobs or hobbies or something besides obsessing over the great injustice of being banned from a backwater car forum? Aren't there greater injustices you could spend your time on? How much do you really feel you need to puff eachother up over here?

I think some of you should put your shitty away, maybe lash out a little less against real and imagined enemies. And add a stinking tinfoil hat icon on this forum, you guys need one with all your talk about secret conspiracies.
I'm glad your not mad about it.



Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Hey, I'm convinced my opinions on the history of the American South had a great deal to do with this. Considering the debate they had in that state where the right wingers bitterly defended their desire to fly the Southern Swastika on their state flag and shove it down the throat of its black citizens, I bet I gored somebody's ass good.
I think it was more like a Unicorn with about a dozen ass holes hanging on the spike like trophies. I was taken aback the near universal response that the subject was off limits, taboo unless you were one of them. Kind of something us Yankees just can't understand because you have to be born there to have a true sense of it, or the right to talk about it in the open. The Yankee perspective was just so offensive the subject could not be put on the table to dissect and understand.

Yeah there were some ugly, hemmorhoid bedecked, inflamed assholes hanging from the spike. Jim
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Heck, I've had it with the lot of you. Bunch of whiny babies running to the moderators about other posters, and bunch of whiny babies over here casting aspersions on everyone they can name, and scared to death to admit there may have been a scintilla of fault in your own behavior. Most of you are no better than the shopforum whiners are, and you deserve eachother.
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My opinion has changed not a whit, nor is it at all inconsistent. Sorry.

Also, the people you're alluding to who were 'burned good' by your nasty little anti-southern diatribe were I believe me and MikeMover, and both of us have posted we didn't go to the moderators. Sorry. It's the people who are too chickenshit to confront you directly who will complain to a moderator, and you have to admit we don't fall into that camp.

And if I have any 'extra leeway' with engatwork as a result of having met him once (which I doubt), just figure it's counterbalanced by me having called Gilly a big fat meanie. Had he banned me, do you think I'd be over here crying incessantly about it like a teenager?

Don't you guys have anything better to talk about? It's just the internet. It's just one forum. Don't you have jobs or hobbies or something besides obsessing over the great injustice of being banned from a backwater car forum? Aren't there greater injustices you could spend your time on? How much do you really feel you need to puff eachother up over here?

I think some of you should put your shitty away, maybe lash out a little less against real and imagined enemies. And add a stinking tinfoil hat icon on this forum, you guys need one with all your talk about secret conspiracies.
ok, so why the bitchin'? i welcome your comments but same crap is going on over there.... no?

there are other good threads here and there are plenty to come... hang and enjoy... we need some kitty pix and you seem to have the market cornered....

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Heck, I've had it with the lot of you. Bunch of whiny babies running to the moderators about other posters, and bunch of whiny babies over here casting aspersions on everyone they can name, and scared to death to admit there may have been a scintilla of fault in your own behavior. Most of you are no better than the shopforum whiners are, and you deserve eachother.

damn, PMS-ing are we???



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Heck, I've had it with the lot of you. Bunch of whiny babies running to the moderators about other posters, and bunch of whiny babies over here casting aspersions on everyone they can name, and scared to death to admit there may have been a scintilla of fault in your own behavior. Most of you are no better than the shopforum whiners are, and you deserve eachother.
...well, now we know you 'do' care. Which scintilla must I cop to? I'm ready to cop, whatever it takes to win back your good graces.
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I guess the connotation for "style" for me is one of a lack of substance. "Presentation" and not the substance. Kind of means "flash" or "superficial" and that is not what Kirk's approach was about on MBShop. Kirk took the lead role. Because he was effective, he developed a "following" as I see it, not because anyone particularly like his "style." He insisted on being out front and was effective. He got his "following" "the old fashioned way - he earned it."

As for he said, she said, well, it used to be in the MBShop records. I don't care to look back, but based on the announced purge I doubt looking would be worth the effort. Jim
That's the ambiguity of English, sorry about that. I didn't intend to offer a content criticism. That particular horse is beaten, dead, gathering flies and sarcophagus beetles. I am not at all interested in taking one more shot at it.

Look, what I'm trying to point out is that style is at least as important as substance. I could write a love letter for example, that would use the same vocabulary as say, Byron, but my leter would sound smarmy where his is...poetry. Both Byron and I would be honest and believe what we say about the same subject, but nobody's gonna collect my love letters for posterity (please God, don't let that happen!).

Assuming that everybody agrees on a certain subject, the best presentation is the one remembered and if it's important to people's lives, the presenter gets remembered, too.

So now let's look at it another way, how can one evaluate the merits of a particular subject without being swayed by presentation? Because if the truth is what's important, then the package shouldn't mater. So how can we remove the contents from the various packages and fairly evaluate them?
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