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RE: EU officials implore new immigrants to learn 'European values'...

It looks like a faith statement to say that things will always be as they always were. Mostly because history is was not a single pattern for immigrants and projecting future events based on the happenstance of the past looks like a bad bet, to me.
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I thought that was the point of learning history?
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Learn from history in the general sense, I think. That is, the sweep of history indicates that Europeans are very tribal and warlike. Does that mean Europeans will always be tribal? Of course not: They are responsible for their own destinies. At this time it looks like Europe is closer to peaceful unification than it ever has been in history. European tribalism seems nearly gone.

The same can be said for Europe vs Islam. The battle has been underway for nearly 1,500 years. Islamic military conquest was halted in the Balkins and Spain. Must Islam always conquer with violence? The modern evidence is highly equivocal on that and at variance with history. Now it looks like Islam is growing in Europe, not through violence but through immigration. Hence, the fearful cry by Europeans for Muslims to embrace the local culture. Interesting experiment. Last time the Europeans got pissed-off at a minority religion they killed millions of them. If history were law, I'd be careful in Europe, were I Muslim.
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