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Whats a neo-conservative?

And what exactly do they have to do with this administration?? And how much power do they have??
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RE: Whats a neo-conservative?

Here's a handy guide from a failrly unbiased source:

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RE: Whats a neo-conservative?

These are the folks that brought you the "war" on terrorism, and the unrelated attack, invasion and quagmire/occupation of a formerly sovereign nation of Iraq:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/

These are the folks that expose the hypocrisy and hubris inherent in the aforementioned imperialists:
http://www.pnac.info/
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RE: Whats a neo-conservative?

Same thing as a neoliberal, but instead they use the word "liberal" in the same way the word "nigger" was used a few years back.
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RE: Whats a neo-conservative?

How true, but we aren't going to take it any more than they did.
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RE: Whats a neo-conservative?

Neo-con: noun; A meaningless term that liberals and socialists use to describe anyone who disagrees with them. Often intended to be insulting, however many victims decide to just wear the badge with honor. That really pi$$es them off.

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RE: Whats a neo-conservative?

Hegemony, to sum it up in one word.

To everyone's benefit, I'd request that people not use neo-con or liberal in their discourse here. There are very few true left/left liberals as there are very few who think that US foreign policiy should consist of forcing regime change thru unbridled military action. You guys use these words as insults and it's real annoying when you know you hardly fit any of these molds.

It's Neocons vs. Liberals, but not as I see it on this board.

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RE: Whats a neo-conservative?

It's my understanding that neo-conservatism began in the 1950's with a group of former communist, mostly Jewish intellectuals who, upon discovering the atrocities of Stalin converted to capitalism. They were anti-communist cold warriors who viewed US foreign policy since the 50's not as expansionist capitalism but as opposing Soviet communism. Thereby supporting the overthrow of democratically elected governments in such places as Guatemala, Iran, Chile etc.

The left wing opposition to the neo-conservatives were socialists or communists critical of Stalin from the start. So Trotskyites like Hitchens and libertarian socialists like Chomsky never needed to repent from their sin of supporting Stalin by becoming his opposite, because they had never supported Stalin to begin with.

With the fall of the Soviet Union, the neo-conservatives interpreted this event as a victory in the cosmic battle of good against evil (capitalism vs. communism) and began to redirect the energies which they had previously interpreted as resistance to communism to the expansion of capitalism around the globe disguised in the clothing of 'the expansion of democracy'. One ideological tool they are using in this battle is to cast Islam in the role of the former Soviet Union. This has to be done at least partly because Islam, while as democratically inclined as Christianity, has some distinctively anti-capitalist components which resist the commodification of all aspects of human life.
In order to assure the global spread of US capitalism, the neo-cons realize the indispensable role of oil hence their recent (mis)adventure.

Obviously, anyone who says that Jesus Christ is the greatest political thinker he has ever read can't be a true neo-con.
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RE: Whats a neo-conservative?

The nomenclature is largely irrelevant, but the political science community does make a clear distinction between paleo-conservatives and neo-conservatives, and libertarian conservatives etc. I gather Mike doesn't like being pigeon-holed into a tight little box, and I agree. He's free to pick and choose his policies at will. One can agree with the neoconservatives within the administration on foreign policy matters, yet not buy into their entire range of projects--i.e. because one believes a lie, doesn't make them a liar.

I try not to use the term as a perjorative to be thrown at individuals outside the halls of power and the commentariat. But, it is instructive and appropriate to assign the term to the cadre of those powerful folks who espouse the views of the PNAC--many of them are listed by name right on their website BTW.

A veritable who's who list of neoconservative inside power brokers:
Elliott Abrams
Gary Bauer
William J. Bennett
Jeb Bush
Dick Cheney
Eliot A. Cohen
Midge Decter
Paula Dobriansky
Steve Forbes
Aaron Friedberg
Francis Fukuyama
Frank Gaffney
Fred C. Ikle
Donald Kagan
Zalmay Khalilzad
I. Lewis Libby
Norman Podhoretz
Dan Quayle
Peter W. Rodman
Stephen P. Rosen
Henry S. Rowen
Donald Rumsfeld
Vin Weber
George Weigel
Paul Wolfowitz
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