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RE: Arafat dead?

Who cares. I am tired of having the Iraeli/Palestinian conflict shoved down my throat by all amercian media outlets. Enough!
Lets stop blatantly supporting one side over the other. This would be a major step forward in bringing peace to the muslim world.
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That's not going to happen for at least four years.
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Explain to me how this man of peace is empowering his people to determine their own destiny through human rights, freedom of expression, popular vote, and representative democracy.

In free societies, the world knows these things.
are the palestinians looking for a 'free society'? Do they have to?

Look, WE might take the proverbial 'rights to be self-evident...', but last time I checked, that's in OUR government structure, not that of all of these countries we're saving. Your well-established Millian paternalistic utilitarianism requires a common desired end, and I'd suggest the cultures might not have one.....
When I say it's self-evident, I mean it. From that, everything.
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from that flows your right to act in whatever means you deem neccessary to cultivate the forced implementation of the policies that follow from our own Declaration of Independence? yikes.

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Burglary is wrong. Its always okay for me to stop a burglary.
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When I say it's self-evident, I mean it. From that, everything.
What's the political difference between 'self-evident' and 'God told me'?

I understand 'self-evident' to mean any critical thoughtful person would have to agree. Since lots of people disagree with capitalist utilitarianism, including me, does this make them not thoughtful?
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From a more practical (ok, cynical) standpoint, I'd say that there is nothing we can do that would broker a permanent peace between Israel and the Palestinians. Far too much bad blood there, and not just over a simple territorial dispute. In fact, it seems to me the more we interfere, the more difficult and protracted the situation becomes, and the more instability we foster in the middle east.

Usually, the only way disputes of these types are resolved is through war -- someone has to pound the hell out of someone else. If we back out, this will happen, and the conflict will be resolved. Resolved violently and with bloodshed, definitely, but it is my belief that this violence and bloodshed will occur eventually, it's just a matter of how long it will be before it happens. And the longer it festers, the more die in the meantime, and the worse the eventual beatdown will be.

And this concludes my very cynical and probably offensive argument for noninterference with this conflict.
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[QUOTE]That Guy 73 - 11/5/2004 11:24 AM



He had 3 planes hijacked and blown up in the desert! That would count in my book. QUOTE]

Not to justify harming civilians, but to set the record straight When the Palestinians hijacked airplanes, they were adopting a technique pioneered by Israelis:

"The first recorded aircraft hijacking in the Middle East occurred some thirteen years before the creation of the PFLP. In December 1954, Israeli military jets intercepted a civilian aircraft in Syrian airspace that had recently taken off from Damascus, and forced it to land within Israeli territory. Syrian passengers were detained for 48 hours, pending negotiations over the fate of five Israeli soldiers who had been captured inside Syrian territory while mounting wiretapping installations"

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Hijacking is better than blowing them up. This also explains why the passengers on the first two planes flew into the WTC and Pentagon without resistence--they played by the rules. It also explains why the last plane went into the ground and why they beat the $hit out of Richard Reed--the passengers played by the new rules.

If somebody tried to hijack an airplane now, which set of rules do you think the passengers and hijackers would play by?
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he IS dead now.



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